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赫氏 (HXL.US) 2025第四季度业绩电话会
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Hexcel forecasts an 8% revenue growth by 2026, driven by Airbus A350 orders and defense market expansion. Despite a weakening U.S. dollar, the company is implementing cost controls, streamlining operations, and investing in lightweight material innovations. Financially, they aim for $2.0-$2.1 billion in sales and $2.10-$2.30 adjusted EPS in 2026, while maintaining a disciplined approach to debt reduction and shareholder value.
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Hexa Corporation's Q4 and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call Highlights
Hexa Corporation's earnings call for Q4 and full year 2025 is announced, with a reminder of forward-looking statements' risks. The call will feature financial updates from the CEO and CFO, followed by a Q&A session, with replay available on the company's website.
Industry Confidence in Xcel's Ability to Meet Commercial Aircraft Demand Amidst Supply-Demand Imbalance
The dialogue highlights the industry's confidence in Xcel's capability to address the growing demand for commercial aircraft, despite a significant delivery shortfall. It underscores the shift towards more fuel-efficient and lightweight materials, positioning Xcel as a key player in supporting commercial and defense needs. Despite challenges faced in 2025, a positive trend in commercial orders is anticipated for 2026, with major programs like the A350 and A320 leading the recovery. The transition to higher production rates, including Boeing's move to 800 aircraft per month, and increased engine production capacity, signals a promising outlook for the sector.
Recovery of Pre-Pandemic Production Levels and Expansion in Defense and Space Markets
Despite initial setbacks from reduced build rates and destocking, the company anticipates full recovery to pre-pandemic production levels by 2026, leveraging sole source contracts and long-term agreements. Enhanced sales from defense, space, and regional jets are forecasted to add over $200 million in additional revenue, driving operating leverage and margin expansion. The company's strategic investments, including a $350 million accelerated share repurchase program, reflect confidence in future growth and execution capabilities. Defense and space market opportunities are bolstered by increasing global defense budgets and demand for advanced materials, positioning the company for long-term success in both commercial and defense sectors.
Operational Excellence and Strategic Growth Amidst Market Destocking and Industry Shifts
The company faced headwinds from scheduled changes and OEM destocking, emphasizing operational discipline and cost control. Actions included exiting non-core markets, streamlining operations, and investing in productivity enhancements. Leadership additions and a focus on financial management were highlighted, alongside guidance for future sales, adjusted EPS, and free cash flow, reflecting confidence in long-term growth.
Strong Q4 Sales and Growth in Commercial Aerospace Offset by Divestments and Foreign Exchange
The company reports a robust fourth quarter with year-over-year sales growth driven by commercial aerospace, despite divestments and foreign exchange impacts. Adjusted operating margins expand, and full-year guidance is met. Defense and space sales remain strong, particularly in NATO-aligned countries. Cash flow and free cash flow are impacted by working capital movements, with a commitment to maintaining disciplined leverage policy. A quarterly dividend increase is announced, reflecting financial health and future growth potential.
2026 Financial Outlook: FX Impact, Cash Conversion, and Seasonal Trends
The dialogue outlines the expected financial performance for 2026, highlighting the impact of foreign exchange due to a weaker dollar, projections for cash conversion exceeding expectations, and seasonal trends affecting operating expenses and sales. It also discusses strategies for deleveraging, interest expense reduction, and an anticipated effective tax rate, positioning the company for future growth in commercial aircraft production, defense, and space sectors.
Analysis of Revenue Growth and Demand Forecast for Commercial Aerospace Programs
A discussion on the revenue growth projection, emphasizing the commercial aerospace segment's contribution, particularly the A 350 program. The analysis includes assumptions based on purchase orders, bottom-up demand forecasts, and operational adjustments, highlighting confidence in meeting production targets despite supply chain challenges.
Analysis of Incremental Margins and Operating Leverage in Composite Materials Segment
Discussion focused on incremental margins in the composite materials segment, highlighting mid-30s margins with potential upside linked to higher production rates. Emphasized operating leverage as a key driver for margin improvement, particularly as production returns to pre-pandemic levels. Adjusted operating margin for the fourth quarter was noted at 5%, with specifics available upon request.
Strategies for Managing Fixed and Variable Costs in Response to Revenue Fluctuations
The dialogue discusses strategies for managing fixed and variable costs, including a hiring freeze, allowing attrition, and only starting to hire again when there is evidence of increasing rates. The company has reduced headcount and is cautious about increasing it until mid-year, demonstrating a proactive approach to cost management in response to revenue changes.
Boeing's Strategy to Maintain Production Rates and Quality Ahead of Airbus
Boeing aims to lead Airbus in production rates, emphasizing timely and quality deliveries. The company is investing in additional carbon fiber lines to meet forecasted demand increases, avoiding past issues of production delays.
Analyzing Incremental Margins and Capital Allocation Strategies for Future Growth
Discussion revolves around projected incremental margins, emphasizing operating leverage post-pandemic undercapacity. Future capital allocation priorities, including debt reduction and potential buybacks, are outlined, with a focus on achieving desired leverage levels swiftly.
Share Repurchase Strategy and Leverage Ratio Goal Alignment
The dialogue outlines a strategic plan focusing on achieving a leverage ratio below two by year-end, with subsequent intentions to pursue further share repurchases once the target is met, indicating a commitment to financial health and shareholder value enhancement.
Analysis of Incremental Margins and Cost Implications for Aerospace Production
Discussion revolves around the impact of production rate targets exceeding expectations for Boeing and Airbus on incremental margins, incorporating mothball costs and ERP implementation expenses into financial guidance. Closing facilities in Austria and Leicester, along with ERP implementation progress, are noted as factors influencing operating income, with ongoing costs anticipated into 2027.
Cost Management and Facility Streamlining for Improved Margins and Productivity
The focus is on strong cost discipline and streamlining facilities, including closing and selling underperforming sites, to enhance productivity and margins. The full impact will be seen next year, with some benefits this year.
Revenue Guidance and Raw Material Cost Management in Aerospace Industry
Revenue guidance for 2026 forecasts low to mid double-digit growth for commercial aero and low to mid single-digit growth for defense. The defense segment faces slight negative growth due to facility closures but expects low to mid double-digit growth independently. The company hedges raw material costs, particularly acrylic and nitrile, maintaining stable pricing. Incremental margin improvements are anticipated as production rates increase, aiming for script margins by the end of the decade, leveraging operating leverage and productivity initiatives.
Analysis of Unusual Composite Materials Margin Increase
Discussion on the significant rise in margins for composite materials, questioning whether non-normal factors influenced the 25% increase, with emphasis on solid cost control and compensation targets contributing to the result.
Analysis of Financial Reversals and Composite Materials Impact in Aerospace Industry
The dialogue discusses the significant financial adjustments from a reversed accrual, the absence of duplicate CEO-level expenses, and stringent cost controls. It also explores the potential benefits and cost implications of incorporating composite materials, particularly in aircraft wings, estimating the value increase per aircraft due to higher composite content.
Missed Opportunity: Xcel's Non-Interest in Acquiring Semen Composites
The discussion revolves around a missed acquisition opportunity for Xcel, as they did not pursue Semen Composites, a company specializing in composite materials for the marine market, due to it not aligning with their core business sectors.
Revenue Assumptions and Aircraft Deliveries: Boeing vs Airbus
The dialogue discusses revenue assumptions for Boeing and Airbus, noting conservative estimates for Boeing due to destocking and Airbus slightly higher than consensus but still cautious based on detailed analysis.
Navigating FX Headwinds and Profitability Risks in 2026
The dialogue discusses the impact of a weaker dollar, projecting a higher FX headwind in Q4 compared to previous quarters. The speaker highlights that a 110 basis point headwind in Q4 included one-off effects from settling short-term non-USD balances, which are not expected to continue. A hedging program is in place to mitigate ongoing FX risks, already factored into the 2026 plan, indicating preparedness for potential profitability challenges.
Exploring Next-Gen Aircraft Production Techniques for Cost and Time Efficiency
The dialogue highlights advancements in aircraft production, focusing on out-of-autoclave technologies, automated fiber placement, reduced cure times for carbon fiber, enhanced non-destructive inspection, and resin application methods, all aimed at lowering costs and capital requirements. Collaboration with OEMs is emphasized to innovate across the entire production system.
Expanding Opportunities in Defense: Carbon Fiber's Role in Lightweight, Durable Systems
A significant opportunity in defense production, especially for lightweight, durable carbon fiber composite systems, is highlighted. Strengthening the defense team is essential to address these growing markets, which are critical for enhancing range and strength in unmanned systems.
Prioritizing Production Rate Ramps and Defense Growth for Future Business Expansion
Discussed focusing on production rate ramps for operating leverage, emphasizing defense growth in multiple markets, and maintaining quality and safety in execution.
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Q:What is the nature of the proposed refocus for the Lerwick UK site?
A:The proposed refocus for the Lerwick UK site is to perform work solely related to commercial aerospace development.
Q:What new members have joined the Hexa leadership team?
A:New members to the Hexa leadership team include Mike Le, who joined as interim CFO while a search for a permanent CFO is conducted, and new functional and business program leaders across defense, safety, R&D, quality, and operations.
Q:What is the outlook for the commercial aerospace recovery?
A:The outlook for the commercial aerospace recovery suggests that it is gaining traction as original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) increase production rates. The company expects to generate over a billion dollars in free cash flow from 2026 to 2019 and anticipates sales between $2.0 billion and $2.1 billion, with adjusted EPS between $2.10 and $2.30, and free cash flow greater than $195 million in 2026.
Q:What financial results were highlighted for the fourth quarter and full year 2025?
A:For the fourth quarter of 2025, sales were $491 million with an adjusted operating margin expansion supported by higher sales. The commercial aerospace OE recovery continued to become more apparent, with total sales up 1.6% in constant currency. Fourth quarter commercial aerospace sales increased 5.8% compared to the prior year. The company met its updated sales and adjusted EPS guidance for the full year 2025 with a lower tax rate contributing to adjusted EPS. Full year 2025 defense space and other sales were about one-third of the total sales with international sales predominantly from NATO-aligned countries and other strategic locations.
Q:What was the free cash flow for 2025 and how does it compare to 2024?
A:The free cash flow in 2025 was $157 million, which is lower than the $233 million in 2024.
Q:What is the impact of foreign exchange on sales guidance and how is it expected to be?
A:Foreign exchange is expected to be a headwind in 2026 compared to 2025 due to a weaker dollar. The company is not guiding to an expected FX impact due to the uncertainty of future rates but notes that the average euro dollar rate in 2025 was 1.09, with a 10 basis point unfavorable year-over-year impact on operating margin. In 2024, the average euro dollar rate was 1.08, with a 40 basis points year-over-year benefit.
Q:How is cash conversion expected to be and what is the forecast for inventory days on hand?
A:Cash conversion is expected to exceed 90% for a period of time as capital expenditures remain subdued. Inventory days on hand should continue to trend lower during 2026, even though inventory may grow modestly on a dollar basis, sales are expected to grow faster, leading to a reduction in days on hand.
Q:What is the plan for revolver repayment and interest expense expectations?
A:Repayment of the revolver is a priority during the year, and interest expense should decrease as the year progresses due to cash generation and using it to pay down the revolver. Interest expense for 2026 is expected to be in the range of 50 to 55 million.
Q:What is the effective tax rate projection for 2026?
A:The company is projecting an effective tax rate of 20% for the 2026 EPS range.
Q:What is the expected growth in commercial aerospace and specific program assumptions?
A:The expected growth in commercial aerospace is in the low to mid-double digits for the next year. A significant driver is the A350 program, where the company has a ship set of 4.5 to 5 million. They expect to deliver approximately 80 units in the next year, based on a bottom-up demand forecast and an 80-unit backlog. They are typically 4 to 6 months ahead of the OEMs in terms of assumptions due to being a material provider.
Q:Did the purchase order activity and customer activity for the A350 program support the expectations since the prior quarters?
A:The prior quarters showed purchase order activity and customer activity that supported the expectations for A350 rates. This activity continued through the end of the fourth quarter and what have been positive observations so far in the current year.
Q:What is the visibility on purchase orders for the current year compared to last year?
A:The visibility on purchase orders for the current year is very strong, extending through May for the next 12 months, which is in contrast to last year.
Q:What actions have been taken in response to the increase in demand for carbon fiber?
A:To prepare for the increase in demand, the company has activated previously mothballed carbon fiber lines and brought one online earlier than expected.
Q:What are the expected incremental margins and potential for upside?
A:The incremental margins are expected to be in the mid-30s based on the current plan. The potential for upside depends on higher commercial rates for production rates of the A350, A320, 37, 787, and 777, which would result in increased operating leverage as production rates increase.
Q:How is the company managing costs in the corporate area?
A:The company is managing costs in the corporate area by holding down general and administrative expenses, professional fees, headcount, and T&D, and by reducing direct labor through hiring freezes and attrition due to lower volume needs.
Q:What is the hiring strategy for 2023?
A:The hiring strategy for 2023 is to maintain a low headcount until there is evidence of improving demand, at which point hiring will resume, starting with the AC division due to early signs of demand recovery.
Q:How does the company expect to align with Airbus's production rates in 2023?
A:The company expects to align with Airbus's production rates in 2023 and be slightly ahead, particularly as destocking normalizes and shipping to them at close to their delivery rate continues.
Q:What is the forecast for incremental margins moving forward based on the revenue outlook?
A:The forecast for incremental margins is around the mid-teens, which could be a bit better due to the focus on operating leverage as the company returns to higher capacity levels and absorption of fixed costs and depreciation.
Q:What is the expected timeline for continuing share repurchase after reaching the target leverage ratio?
A:After reaching the target leverage ratio, the company will certainly look at continued share repurchase.
Q:Does the guidance contemplate higher mothball costs if Boeing and Airbus exceed production targets?
A:The guidance does not contemplate higher mothball costs as the costs for mothballing are built into the plan and do not require any incremental costs for taking those lines out.
Q:Can you quantify the year-over-year tailwind to operating income from closing the Austrian and Leicester facilities?
A:The closing of the Austrian and Leicester facilities contributes to cost reduction and is included in the company's plan and outlook. The tailwind from the ERP implementation in 2025 that will not repeat in 2026 has also been incorporated into the numbers.
Q:What is the current status and outlook for the cost of the mothball and ERP implementation?
A:The company has built in all the costs required for bringing new capacity online and does not expect any incremental costs for mothballing. The ERP implementation in 2025 has some costs and additional costs are expected in 2026, but these are incorporated into the plan. The company is halfway through the implementation and expects to complete most of it in 2026 with some in 2027.
Q:What is the current and expected impact of the closure of the Austrian and Leicester facilities on earnings?
A:The closure of the Austrian and Leicester facilities in 2025 was immaterial to EBIT and had a close-to-break-even impact or possibly a slight negative impact. The company expects to see the full impact of these closings, plus the selling of the Belgium and Hartford facilities, on a full-year basis in 2026. It contributes to cost reduction and improved productivity going forward.
Q:How will the recent decline in the price of acrylic nitrile affect margins?
A:Acrylic nitrile is a basic raw material used to make carbon fiber and while its price is currently down, the company hedges it to smooth out the cost variation. They expect no variation in margins due to this since they have a strong hedging strategy in place.
Q:What revenue growth is expected for commercial aerospace and defense in 2026?
A:Revenue growth for commercial aerospace in 2026 is expected to be low to mid-double digits, while defense revenue will be low to mid-single digits. Growth in defense is based on its own because defense based on other is going to be slightly negative due to certain costs from different facilities.
Q:What contribution will the increase in production rates across programs make to the company's margins?
A:As production rates for Boeing and Airbus reach target peak levels across all programs, the company expects to generate an additional $500 million before the end of the decade. This, along with ongoing pricing actions and operating leverage from productivity initiatives, will contribute to a path back to script margins by the end of the decade.
Q:What factors contributed to the unusual margin performance in 2025?
A:Factors that contributed to the unusual margin performance in 2025 include compensation and a lower payout due to the company's performance in 2025. There were also non-recurring items like the reversal of an accrual, which was fairly sizable, and the absence of duplicate expenses at the CEO level in 2025 compared to the back half of 2024. Cost control measures were also mentioned.
Q:What is the potential future cost of carbon fiber for the next narrow body aircraft?
A:The potential future cost of carbon fiber for the next narrow body aircraft could double from the current $500,000 per ship to $1 million per ship, with the possibility of reaching $1.5 to 2 million per ship due to an increase in the percentage of carbon fiber to 30% to 50%, assuming a production rate of 75 aircraft per month.
Q:What market does Semen Composites make advanced composites for, and why was it not a strategic fit for HCA?
A:Semen Composites makes advanced composites for the aerospace and defense market. It was not a strategic fit for HCA because it focuses on composite materials for the marine market, which is not one of HCA's core markets, and therefore HCA did not consider it for acquisition.
Q:Why are HCA's revenue assumptions higher on Airbus deliveries and lower on Boeing deliveries compared to consensus estimates?
A:HCA's revenue assumptions are higher on Airbus deliveries because they expect a destocking effect, leading to numbers lower than consensus but higher than the lowest estimates. On the other hand, for Boeing, they are being more conservative due to uncertainty about production rates and destocking. HCA believes their estimates are conservative on the A350 based on bottom-up work and top-down analysis.
Q:How does HCA view the potential impact of foreign exchange headwinds on future profitability?
A:HCA views the potential impact of foreign exchange headwinds as a challenge to profitability. The dollar is currently lower, which is creating a headwind, especially in the upcoming quarter. HCA does not anticipate this to be an ongoing trend and has built the headwind into their plan. They also have a hedging program in place to mitigate the impact, which has been somewhat muted due to this preparation. They expect the Q impact to be the run rate into 2023.
Q:What technologies is HCA exploring to potentially lower fabrication costs for the next generation of aircraft?
A:HCA is exploring various technologies to potentially lower fabrication costs, such as out of autoclave manufacturing, automated fiber placement, improving cure times of carbon fiber from 12 hours to less than two hours, nondestructive inspection methods, and better resin application techniques. These efforts aim to reduce costs and capital requirements by improving efficiency in production processes.
Q:What is the perceived opportunity for HCA in the defense sector given the increased use of carbon fiber and the rising volume of defense-related systems?
A:HCA sees a big opportunity in the defense sector due to the increasing use of carbon fiber for its weight, range, and durability benefits. The rise in defense-related systems and the volume of carbon fiber usage create potential for HCA's material, which is well-suited for defense applications. HCA has started to strengthen its defense team to address these markets and sees a significant role in this fast-growing sector.
Q:What are HCA's priorities for business growth in the next few years?
A:HCA's immediate priority is to ramp up production rates to leverage operational efficiency. They also plan to focus on growing the defense segment, as it's already a significant part of their business and expected to expand in various global markets. Long-term, they intend to continue growing and becoming more vertically integrated in component structures.
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