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Hims & Hers Health, Inc. (HIMS.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Hims & Hers Health reports significant revenue growth, improved margins, and strategic advancements, focusing on personalized healthcare services, global expansion, and innovative solutions like whole-body lab testing and longevity treatments. The company aims to become the largest global consumer health platform, with ambitious targets for 2030 revenue and EBITDA, driven by technology investments, partnerships, and proactive health management strategies.
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Henson Hirst Health's Q3 2025 Earnings Call: Forward-Looking Statements and Financial Measures
The dialogue outlines the third quarter 2025 earnings call for Henson Hirst Health, emphasizing forward-looking statements, risk factors, and non-GAAP financial measures. The call, moderated by the head of investor relations, involves a presentation of shareholder letters, financial reconciliations, and webcast details for future reference.
Expanding Healthcare Accessibility and Personalization Through Strategic Partnerships and Innovation
Highlights growth in personalized healthcare solutions, year-over-year subscriber and revenue increases, and future plans for proactive health management. Emphasizes strategic partnerships with Novo Nor, various pharmaceuticals, and Grail, aiming to democratize access to advanced health and wellness solutions.
Revolutionizing Weight Loss: Accelerating Growth and Accessibility in Compounded GLP-1 Treatments
The company is making significant strides in addressing global weight loss challenges by investing in compounding infrastructure, ensuring safety, quality, and affordability. By sourcing active pharmaceutical ingredients from FDA-registered facilities and reducing prices on GLP-1 treatments, the company is expanding access to effective weight loss solutions, demonstrating a commitment to innovation and customer care.
Expanding Personalized Healthcare: Hims & Hers' Vision for Proactive Health Management
The dialogue outlines Hims and Hers' strategy to enhance personalized healthcare solutions, focusing on new product launches for low testosterone and menopause, aiming to deepen customer relationships and expand access to care. It highlights the company's commitment to launching comprehensive whole-body lab testing, enabling proactive health management and addressing gaps in women's health, particularly in menopause care, with a goal to scale towards significant revenue growth by 2026.
Expanding Global Health Platform: Integrating Advanced Diagnostics and Personalized Care for Millions
The company leverages its lab testing, provider network, and data feedback loop to scale personalized healthcare, planning to launch a longevity specialty with peptide therapies by 2026. It aims to expand globally, starting with Europe and Canada, targeting over 200 million adults, and believes its model can revolutionize healthcare access worldwide.
Strong Q3 Growth and Subscriber Expansion Highlight 2025 Outlook
Revenue surged 49% year-over-year to nearly $600 million in Q3, with adjusted EBITDA margins exceeding 13%. Subscriber base grew by over 30,000 sequentially, marking a 20% year-over-year increase. Precision medicine approach and innovative offerings drove exceptional growth.
Expanding Portfolio, Enhancing Personalization, and Investing in Growth for Future Profitability
The company is transitioning its Hems brand to personalized daily treatments, seeing growth in the Hers brand with new specialties, and investing in technology and talent for long-term profitability, resulting in strong adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow, positioning it uniquely for strategic capital deployment.
Expanding Healthcare Offerings: Facility Growth, New Specialties, and Global Reach
Focuses on facility expansion for personalized healthcare, introduction of new specialties like testosterone and menopause support, strategic partnerships, technology platform enhancements, and global market expansion including Europe and Canada.
Hims & Hers Expands Diagnostic Testing, Invests in Technology for Proactive Health Management
Hims & Hers anticipates significant growth with the launch of comprehensive diagnostic testing, focusing on technology enhancement and expanding services. Revenue projections for Q4 2023 and FY 2023 are shared, highlighting investments in 503A facilities and pricing strategies for GLP-1s, alongside expectations for ZBA's contribution and market opportunities in Europe. Challenges include migration fulfillment impacts and on-demand health business moderation, with strategies to mitigate these in the upcoming year.
Investing in Future Growth: Hims & Hers Launches Innovative Health Services and Products
The company outlines its strategy for sustainable growth, emphasizing investments in new categories and markets. Plans include launching comprehensive at-home lab testing and a full-stack subscription service for longevity, featuring peptides and other advanced treatments. These initiatives aim to democratize access to premium health services, leveraging recent acquisitions and anticipated regulatory changes.
Reaccelerating Core Growth Amid Evolving Trends and Strategic Opportunities
The dialogue discusses the company's confidence in reaccelerating core growth, highlighting strategic areas such as new specialties, diagnostics, and international markets. Despite near-term headwinds, there's optimism about future growth driven by innovations in men's and women's health products.
Expanding Personalized Healthcare: Diagnostics, Marketing, and Global Brand Transformation
The dialogue discusses how advancements in diagnostic capabilities will accelerate the pace of bringing personalized treatments to market, impacting marketing strategies and expanding into new specialties. It highlights the shift from direct marketing for stigmatized conditions to broader wellness categories, aiming to transform the brand into a global platform for proactive health solutions.
Exploring Portfolio Expansion and Consumer Sensitivity in Job Performance Solutions
The dialogue discusses the strategy for expanding the portfolio of job performance solutions, potentially including the Novo partnership, and examines consumer price sensitivity in relation to job demands and its impact on demand.
Expanding Weight Loss Treatment Offerings Through Innovation and Partnerships
The dialogue highlights the company's strategy to enhance its weight loss specialty by leveraging advancements in biotechnology, forming strategic partnerships, and optimizing its high-touch model to improve subscriber outcomes and accessibility.
Hers Business Growth Drivers and Margin Outlook
Discussion on Hers business's diverse growth engines including legacy categories, new hormonal health products, and diagnostics, with considerations on margin impacts from strategic investments.
Investment Strategy, Margin Expansion, and Capital Deployment for Future Growth and Cash Flow
The dialogue focuses on a strategic investment approach emphasizing rapid margin expansion and new capabilities, with a strong belief in the exponential return on investment in talent. It also discusses significant upside in technology platform capabilities, future growth levers, and continued free cash flow generation, alongside capital deployment considerations for buybacks and CapEx.
Strong Cash Flow Drives Investment and Valuation Alignment
Emphasizes leveraging robust cash flow to invest in business growth, including personalized capabilities, platform enhancement, and international expansion, while actively managing the gap between intrinsic and market value.
Negotiations with Novo and Growth in Weight Loss Specialty
The dialogue discusses the ongoing negotiations with Novo regarding pricing on GLPs, emphasizing the importance of patient options and affordability. It also highlights the continued growth in the weight loss market, particularly the robust performance of oral products and the strong demand for injectable GLPs, reaffirming the company's target of achieving $725 million or more in revenue for the year.
Navigating Revenue Headwinds and International Expansion Strategies in Personalized Healthcare
Discussed revenue impacts from adjusting shipping cadences, emphasizing the transition to smaller shipments and its effect on quarterly revenue. Also, explored international market dynamics, highlighting the unique healthcare provision approaches in various countries and their implications for global expansion planning.
Strategies for Scaling Healthcare Services and Integrating Lab Testing
Discusses scaling operations in key global markets, addressing consistent healthcare frustrations, and integrating whole body lab testing with other health offerings to enhance personalized care and customer engagement.
Marketing Strategy Evolution and Investment in Growth Opportunities
Discussed significant marketing leverage through organic and lower-cost channels, enhanced user retention, and plans to invest in new specialties and international markets, aligning with a payback period of one year, while aiming for ambitious 2030 financial targets.
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Q:What recent progress has been made in terms of personalized solutions and revenue growth?
A:Recent progress includes a 50% year-over-year growth in subscribers using personalized solutions, which has helped drive nearly 50% year-over-year revenue growth for the past few years.
Q:How has Henson Hirst Health's approach to customer service evolved?
A:Henson Hirst Health's approach to customer service has evolved from helping people access simple treatments for specific conditions to providing personalized multi-conductor care and now plans to help customers proactively manage their health to prevent conditions from materializing.
Q:What new partnerships and services are being offered by Henson Hirst Health?
A:New partnerships and services include collaborations with Novo Nordisk for FDA-approved injectable and oral treatments, a partnership with various pharmaceuticals for FDA-approved oral testosterone treatments, and a strategic investment in Grail for cancer early detection tests. These aim to redefine access to hormonal care, improve outcomes, and offer advanced diagnostics.
Q:What are the 2030 goals for Henson Hirst Health and how is the company progressing towards them?
A:Henson Hirst Health's 2030 goals include over $6.5 billion in revenue and $1.3 billion in adjusted EBITDA. The company is progressing towards these goals by materializing opportunities quicker than anticipated, with recent advancements in weight loss support and continued growth in specialty areas.
Q:What is the role of verticalization of compounding infrastructure in Henson Hirst Health's growth?
A:The verticalization of compounding infrastructure is the foundation behind Henson Hirst Health's continued growth. It ensures safety, quality, and affordability while enabling the delivery of high-standard services and accessible care.
Q:What is Henson Hirst Health's plan to make its services more accessible and personalized?
A:Henson Hirst Health plans to make its services more accessible and personalized by offering micro-dosing options, a range of innovative offerings, and comprehensive whole body lab testing. This will help customers in their weight loss journey and support proactive health measures.
Q:What recent offerings have been launched to support conditions such as low testosterone and menopause?
A:Recent offerings include personalized provider-guided treatment plans for low testosterone and a dedicated menopause offering, designed to address the needs of millions of men and women facing symptoms and limited access to effective care.
Q:How will the new offerings in diagnostics and advanced therapies contribute to Henson Hirst Health's future?
A:The new offerings in diagnostics and advanced therapies, such as comprehensive whole body lab testing and longevity specialty, will contribute to Henson Hirst Health's future by providing insights, facilitating action, and improving health outcomes. These initiatives aim to make advanced diagnostics and treatments more accessible to a broader population.
Q:What are the company's plans for global expansion?
A:The company plans to expand globally, starting with the U.S. and the UK, and now moving to Canada. They believe their model can scale to become a leading consumer health platform in Europe. The acquisition of Zaba Global has provided them with the necessary infrastructure to serve customers across several European countries, including the UK, Germany, France, Ireland, and Spain. The company sees international markets as a long-term growth opportunity, potentially generating over 1 billion in annual revenue.
Q:What recent progress has been made in Canada and how does the company plan to serve the North American market?
A:The company is preparing for a launch in Canada, which will notably expand their North American presence. With two-thirds of Canadian adults being overweight or living with obesity, there is a significant opportunity to make high-touch care more accessible. They are in active discussions with leading generic manufacturers to ensure they are ready to deliver access through their platform once certain medications become available in generic form in 2026.
Q:What financial performance and growth expectations does the company have for the remainder of the year?
A:The company had a strong third quarter with revenue growing 49% year over year to nearly 600 million, while adjusted EBITDA margins were above 13%. They expect to continue investing in areas that enhance the customer experience and drive long-term financial returns. Planned investments include expanding personalized capabilities within their facilities, enhancing the customer experience across new specialties, and making strategic investments in technology and partnerships. They anticipate these investments will lead to greater free cash flow generation in the future.
Q:How does the company plan to finance its growth and what is its approach to capital allocation?
A:The company's strong cash flow and balance sheet place it in a unique position to strategically deploy capital to expand both organically and through strategic M&A opportunities. They expect to continue investing across the previously mentioned areas and believe these investments will pay off in the form of reduced costs from greater efficiency and unlocking new growth factors for the company. The company's priority is on long-term free cash flow generation and believes that the investments made today will set the foundation for greater free cash flow in the future.
Q:What strategic investments are being planned to support the company's growth?
A:Strategic investments include continuing the verticalization and expansion of personalized capabilities within their facilities, expecting to increase the operational footprint and capabilities. They plan to add new specialties and enhance the customer experience, which includes the recent launch of low testosterone offering and others for para menopause and menopause support. The company will continue strategic investments, partnerships, and collaborations to extend their impact and advance their mission. Further plans include investing in technology capabilities to leverage data for better health outcomes and expanding into new markets like Canada, as well as enhancing capabilities in the UK and exploring opportunities in Brazil, Australia, and other Latin American and Asian markets.
Q:What are the new capabilities being introduced by Hims and Hers?
A:Hims and Hers are undergoing significant evolution, with new technology, capabilities, specialties, and geographical coverage. One of the most exciting shifts is the upcoming launch of comprehensive whole body diagnostic testing, which will allow subscribers to proactively manage their health and pursue healthier and longer lives, potentially attracting a broader set of consumers and deepening engagement with current ones.
Q:What are the expected revenue and adjusted EBITDA figures for the fourth quarter and the full year?
A:For the fourth quarter, the expected revenue is between 605 to 625 million with a year-over-year growth rate of between 26 and 30%. The anticipated adjusted EBITDA is in the range of 55 to 65 million, reflecting a 10% margin at the midpoint. For the full year, the expected revenue is between 2.335 and 2.355 billion, reflecting a year-over-year increase ranging from 58% to 59%. The expected adjusted EBITDA is in the range of 307 to 317 million, reflecting a 13% margin at the midpoint.
Q:What are the key assumptions behind the financial outlook for the fourth quarter?
A:The key assumptions behind the fourth quarter financial outlook include the migration fulfillment for weight loss products to 503A facilities leading to between 20 to 25 million of headwinds from shorter shipment cadences. These headwinds are expected to normalize in the second half of 2026 as customer refill cohorts accumulate. The company is investing in expanding its internal 503A fulfillment capacity. Additionally, they expect near-term margin headwinds from lowering price points for GLP-1 products, which will normalize in the second half of next year as they progress with the verticalization of the fulfillment capabilities.
Q:What is the projected revenue impact from ZBA and the anticipated future growth in the on-demand and sexual health business?
A:The company continues to expect at least 50 million of incremental revenue from ZBA in the second half of the year. They also anticipate the continued moderation in the on-demand and sexual health business, with near-term headwinds beginning to ease in 2026 as daily sexual health subscribers and multi-conductor treatment plans become a larger share of the mix.
Q:What are the key drivers of long-term revenue growth and how does the company plan to invest in future growth?
A:The ongoing shift towards personalized offerings is a key driver of long-term revenue growth and supporting a target of 85% or higher revenue retention. The company plans to invest in the long-term trajectory of its business, with investments starting in the fourth quarter and continuing through 2026. These investments include scaling new categories, building a presence in new markets, and driving greater value to subscribers through innovative partnerships. While this may result in a temporary pause in year-over-year margin expansion, the company believes these investments will meaningfully extend the reach of their platform around the world and meet or exceed their 2030 targets.
Q:What are the timeline and challenges for the launch of a full-stack subscription service that includes at-home testing and additional products and services like peptides and longevity offering?
A:The company plans to launch whole body lab testing on the platform very soon before the year-end. Full-stack subscription service that includes at-home testing and additional products and services like peptides and a broader longevity offering will be launched in 2026. The biggest hurdles to this type of rollout include the cost of comprehensive testing and ensuring that these services reach a wider audience. However, the company is optimistic about the potential for these offerings to bring about equalization in health testing and is hopeful that the current administration can help further expand access to certain peptides.
Q:How confident is the company in reaccelerating core growth, and what specific levers can be pulled to achieve this?
A:The company is confident in reaccelerating core growth as they see the world rapidly evolving with new specialties. As diagnostics capabilities ramp up, they expect a faster pace in providing personalized treatments and expanding into new specialties. Specific growth levers include new specialties, lab diagnostics, and shifting towards proactive consumer care management. In the second half of the year, they expect a shift in the weight loss cadences and the addition of new consumer segments like testosterone in the Hims brand and menopause and longevity in the Hers brand. These strategies are expected to contribute to strong growth drivers in the future.
Q:What is the company's strategy concerning the portfolio of JP one solutions on the platform and potential partnerships?
A:The company's strategy for the JP one solutions on the platform includes maintaining a 'bread and assortment' approach, aiming to provide patients with more personalized options for better outcomes. They are excited about re-engaging with Novo for the moob pill and anticipate future innovation in biotech. The company is pursuing a wide range of treatments and expects to continue scaling, optimizing, and integrating these solutions into the platform to offer value to subscribers.
Q:How is the weight loss specialty contributing to the company's growth and what is the strategy to further scale and optimize it?
A:The weight loss specialty contributes to the company's growth through a high touch model that resonates with subscribers, resulting in strong retention across the platform. The strategy includes scaling and optimizing the verticalized model, and lowering price points to make it more accessible to a broader audience, which is showing early promising signs. The company plans to invest in vertically scaling operations to pass these benefits on to subscribers.
Q:What are the projected revenue growth drivers for the hers business, and what are the key investments the company is making to support this growth?
A:The hers business has various growth drivers including legacy categories in dermatology that are growing quickly, the robust growth of the oral and personalized weight business, and new categories in hormonal health, perimenopause, longevity diagnostics. These multiple growth engines allow the business to extend to new audiences and therapeutic categories. Key investments include scaling the platform to reach new demographics and therapeutic areas, as well as leveraging diagnostics for proactive care management. The company is also investing in brands and mental health support to capture consumers early in their journeys.
Q:Can the company maintain its current margins or even improve them despite the upcoming investments, and what is the projected timeline for these changes?
A:While it's too early to provide specific details, the company's past experience with rapid margin expansion after investments and a broader set of levers available suggest confidence in future accretive potential. New capabilities and specialties are expected to contribute to this growth, alongside investments in talent with high ROI potential. The company aims to maintain and possibly improve margins in the mid-term, although a precise forecast for 2026 is not provided.
Q:What is the company's approach to capital deployment and the balance between buybacks and CapEx investments?
A:The company has a strong focus on deploying capital wisely, balancing strong free operating cash flow and a solid cash position. They prioritize investments in business growth levers such as extending personalized capabilities, enhancing the platform, and entering international markets. At the same time, they consider actions that align intrinsic and market value, including share buybacks. The company reviews valuation dynamics and acts when there is a meaningful disconnect between market value and intrinsic value.
Q:What are the challenges and potential benefits of negotiating with Novo for a partnership related to job performance solutions?
A:Negotiating with Novo for a partnership related to job performance solutions involves discussing the potential downsides and benefits for both parties. The company is excited about engaging with Novo and is committed to ensuring patients have access to affordable treatments. The goal is to provide the right course of treatment and connect patients with the right providers. While specific conversations remain private, the focus is on ensuring patient options remain optimal and affordable.
Q:What is the continued strength across each component of the weight loss specialty attributed to?
A:The continued strength across each component of the weight loss specialty is attributed to robust growth in the oral business, driven by broader eligibility requirements and the ability to reach a wider audience of people apprehensive about injectables. The injectable side also remains strong and is on pace to achieve the 725 million or greater target set earlier in the year.
Q:What headwind is the company facing and what is expected to happen by the back half of next year?
A:The company is facing a 20 to 25 million headwind, which is primarily due to shipping GLC 1 in smaller shipments and recognizing revenue when shipments occur, not when orders are placed. As consumers renew more frequently due to the smaller shipment cadence, there is a stacking of cohorts that compound each quarter. This dynamic is expected to normalize by the back half of next year as the consumers renew.
Q:How is the company planning for international expansion and what are the unique aspects in various countries?
A:The company plans for international expansion by investing in a network of creative acquisition, great teams, and operational capabilities. They have learned from experiences in various markets and now aim to bring their winning U.S. model to key international markets. Unique aspects in each country include local dynamics, consumer distinctions, and regulatory differences, but there is a consistent demand for high-touch, consumer-centric care.
Q:What is the company's strategy for whole body lab testing and how will it be integrated with other offerings?
A:The company's strategy for whole body lab testing is to offer it at cost-effective rates, as part of a diverse portfolio that also includes diagnostic opportunities leading to advanced treatment care, and bundled services for diagnostics within core treatment pathways. They aim to vertically integrate the infrastructure to optimize lead generation and reduce costs, becoming a trusted partner for personalized care recommendations. This strategy aligns with their goal to be action-oriented and precise in guiding the next steps for patient-centered care.
Q:Has there been any change in the marketing strategy and how is the company planning for the new year, especially around events like the Super Bowl?
A:There has been a focus on the levers that deliver strong marketing leverage, including increasing acquisition from organic and lower-cost channels and stronger retention as more users opt for personalized solutions. The company sees a wide array of growth opportunities, such as new specialty launches and expanding into new markets. They intend to continue investing in a manner consistent with their historical capital allocation framework, targeting a payback period of one year. The company expects significant growth in 2026 and plans to invest accordingly, maintaining confidence in their revenue and EBITDA targets of 6.5 billion and 1.3 billion respectively.
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