Teladoc Health, Inc. (TDOC.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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会议摘要
Teladoc Health emphasizes strategic priorities including integrated care, mental health, and international expansion. The company showcases progress in member engagement, product innovation, and operational efficiencies, particularly through the BetterHelp insurance rollout and Catapult acquisition. Financially, the firm anticipates revenue and profit growth, underpinned by disciplined investments and scaling insurance offerings. A focus on long-term strategy and disciplined investment is evident, with strong expectations for Q4 and 2026.
会议速览
Teladoc Health reported Q3 revenue and Adjusted EBITDA above guidance, driven by execution focus. The company highlights its US market leadership, service expansion, and innovation in care delivery, emphasizing virtual care revenue growth and strategic priorities in integrated care. Teladoc aims to leverage its platform for broader engagement and differentiated outcomes, adapting to market shifts towards fee-for-service models while maintaining sustainable growth.
The company achieved double-digit growth in mental health services, launched a new employee assistance program, expanded Betterhelp's insurance offerings, and grew its international integrated care business by 14%. It also emphasizes operational excellence and cost efficiencies, aiming to mitigate healthcare challenges and drive future growth.
Teladoc Health announced its CFO's departure, highlighting Q3 results with consolidated revenue of $626 million, integrated care revenue growth, and a net loss per share of 28 cents, including a goodwill impairment charge. The company ended the quarter with $726 million in cash, reflecting strong liquidity.
The dialogue covers third quarter financials, highlighting a $236.9 million revenue with $4 million from insurance, a 4% year-over-year decline in users, and an adjusted EBITDA of $4 million. It discusses the impact of macroeconomic factors on the cash-pay business, the progress of insurance rollout, and updated 2025 guidance for revenue, EBITDA, and free cash flow, emphasizing investments in non-US growth and insurance initiatives to drive future revenue growth.
The company highlights its top ranking by Time magazine as a leading health tech firm, emphasizing advancements in virtual care, chronic care, and mental health services. It discusses strategic shifts in sales contracts, focusing on performance-based agreements to better align with client value creation, noting improved engagement and anticipation for the 2026 selling season.
Discussion on BetterHelp's strategic shift towards an insurance-based model, detailing growth in international markets, early progress in insurance rollout, and challenges in the US cash pay business, impacting overall profitability.
Discussion revolves around BetterHelp's transition from direct-to-consumer to insurance-based customer acquisition, highlighting potential efficiencies and future opportunities in script services with full insurance coverage.
Discusses how Catapult's acquisition has facilitated cross-sales and member engagement, particularly in chronic care management, by identifying undiagnosed conditions and integrating additional solutions, enhancing overall health plan offerings.
The company provides an update on the conversion trends between insurance and cash pay options post-launch in multiple states, emphasizing the importance of seasonal data stability. It outlines a strategic approach to managing the 2027 convert note, including potential refinancing, organic investments, and inorganic opportunities, while maintaining a strong balance sheet and leveraging free cash flow.
Discussion covers expected decrease in Q4 2025 marketing expenses compared to Q3, with slight variations noted for integrated care. The pattern aligns with past years, featuring a modest increase in Q4 for strategic launches. Unlike 2024, the step-up in integrated care marketing will not be significant, maintaining a consistent growth trajectory.
The dialogue discusses pricing trends for renewing PM subscriptions, noting a focus on mix shifts rather than significant pricing pressure. It highlights payer reimbursements for mental health services, emphasizing new payer additions and the strategic consideration of insurance margins. Conversations with payers about managing integrated care utilization are explored, underscoring the value of virtual visits and cost savings. The discussion concludes with the importance of scaling therapist networks and revenue cycle management for long-term profitability.
Discussion highlights the strategic expansion of virtual care services, emphasizing increased member engagement, reduced specialist referrals, and stronger outcomes through visit-based care models. The focus is on leveraging virtual care to enhance value and opportunities within an integrated care strategy.
Discussion centered on the need to expand clinician capacity to meet insurance-driven demand for mental health services, emphasizing the importance of maintaining high-quality user experiences and access. The strategy involves ensuring adequate therapist availability before launching in new states, aiming for over 90% match rates within 48 hours, and adapting to growing interest in both direct-to-consumer and insurance-based offerings.
The dialogue discusses the rebound in chronic care enrollment, highlighting the sequential growth and expressing confidence in the potential for further expansion. It emphasizes the opportunity to bundle existing programs and the significant recruitable population for chronic care initiatives, underscoring the strategic focus on leveraging current client interest for growth.
The focus is on developing new connected devices and features to improve clinical interventions for high-risk populations. By complementing existing care providers or stepping in where none exist, the aim is to control conditions, improve health outcomes, and activate more engagement strategies, thereby enhancing customer service and financial benefits.
The dialogue emphasizes the importance of integrating all available data to provide healthcare providers with a comprehensive view at the point of care. This approach enables treatment not only for the critically ill but also for those who are becoming sick, enhancing the ability to participate in value-based care and drive greater ROI. The discussion highlights the strategic investment in data connectivity as a key component for successful clinical interventions.
The dialogue explores the influence of insurance on patient therapy continuation, emphasizing improved access with insurance coverage. It highlights the integration of mental health services through a new product, aiming to support diverse mental health needs within employer groups, enhancing the synergy between insurance and integrated care platforms.
The session concludes with gratitude expressed to participants, inviting them to disconnect their lines, emphasizing the completion of the call's agenda.
要点回答
Q:How have client survey data results been affected by operational improvements?
A:Operational improvements and client service enhancements have led to a strengthening in net promoter scores across the board in the US integrated care business as indicated by client survey data.
Q:What strategic priorities and investments are mentioned?
A:The company remains committed to driving the next evolution of virtual care and believes that strategic priorities, investments, and product innovations will provide opportunities to drive greater value and impact going forward.
Q:What is the impact of Mala stepping down as CFO?
A:Mala stepping down as CFO after playing a pivotal role in shaping Teladoc's financial strategy and strategic growth initiatives is acknowledged, and the company thanks her for her contributions and wishes her well in her next chapter.
Q:What were the key figures from the third quarter results?
A:The key figures from the third quarter results include consolidated revenue of $626 million, a net loss per share of 28 cents, and pre-tax free cash flow of $68 million. The company ended the quarter with $726 million in cash and cash equivalents.
Q:How did the integrated care segment perform in terms of revenue and membership?
A:Integrated care revenue was $390 million, up 1.5% over the prior year period, and US integrated care membership ended the quarter at 102.5 million members, up 9% year over year.
Q:What was the adjusted EBITDA for the integrated care segment and what factors contributed to it?
A:Integrated care adjusted EBITDA was $66 million, with a script margin above the high end of the guidance range. The upside in the quarter reflects revenue mix, flow-through, and continued cost discipline including hiring deferral.
Q:How did the Better Health segment perform in terms of revenue and adjusted EBITDA?
A:The Better Health segment had third quarter revenue of $236.9 million, with adjusted EBITDA of $4 million and a margin of 1.6%. The year-over-year decline was primarily driven by lower revenue and investments for the insurance rollout.
Q:What is the updated guidance for 2025 and how has it changed from previous outlooks?
A:The updated guidance for 2025 includes consolidated revenue of $2.510 billion to $2.539 billion, adjusted EBITDA of $270 million to $287 million, free cash flow of 170 million to 185 million, and stock-based compensation expense of 85 million to 95 million. The full year net loss per share guidance range has been narrowed with the midpoint remaining unchanged.
Q:What changes have been made to the full year 2025 revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance range?
A:The full year 2025 revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance range has been raised and narrowed. The expected revenue growth is now 2.4% to 3.5% over 2024, with adjusted EBITDA expected to be 15% to 15.4%, and a rough estimate of a $2 million headwind to Adjusted EBITDA due to the tower situation.
Q:What is the expected range for the adjusted EBITDA margin for the full year and what is the anticipated sequential margin improvement?
A:The expected range for the adjusted EBITDA margin for the full year is 3.8% to 4.6%. The anticipated sequential margin improvement is driven by a typical seasonal pullback in advertising spend during the holiday period, with a projected fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA margin of 5.5% to 8.6%.
Q:How was the balance sheet positioned at the end of the quarter and what recent acquisition was completed?
A:At the end of the quarter, Betterhelp had a strong balance sheet with $726 million in cash and equivalents and net debt to EBITDA less than 1.0x at quarter end. A recent acquisition completed in August was telecare for $17 million in net cash.
Q:What recognition did the company receive from Time magazine?
A:The company was named one of Time magazine's top health tech companies of 2025, ranking highly in the telehealth and treatment category based on financial performance, reputation analysis, and online presence.
Q:What are the prospects for 2026 in terms of new selling season and changes in contracting with plan sponsors?
A:For 2026, the company is anticipating a repositioning year focused on driving higher levels of performance, product innovation, and making visits and member touch points more valuable. There have been discussions with clients regarding new products and enhancements in virtual care, chronic care, and mental health. The company has taken actions to innovate and is seeing more strategic conversations with plan sponsors regarding the value proposition and performance measures. As a result, there is an expectation to participate in the value created if certain measures are met, which should differentiate the company.
Q:How will the transition to insurance offerings affect Betterhelp's margins and what is the potential impact on profitability?
A:The transition to insurance offerings is expected to bring pricing pressure but may also be offset by lower customer acquisition costs. The impact on profitability is expected to be directional, and while the company remains excited about the growth in the Better Help international business, the insurance business is also a focus area. The guidance provided for Q4 and the growth in user and revenue for Better Health International in the third quarter are key factors to consider. However, specific details on the impact of the transition on the profitability of the business are not provided.
Q:How are the key metrics for the better health insurance rollout trending?
A:The key metrics such as conversion rates, number of sessions, and user growth are trending in line with what was expected during the early days of the rollout.
Q:What challenges is the U.S. direct to consumer cash pay business facing?
A:The U.S. direct to consumer cash pay business is challenged by heavy competition from other market participants who offer insurance.
Q:What is the current composition of Better Help's user base in terms of acquisition costs?
A:Better Help, as a scale player with over 4 million users, drives a significant amount of traffic to the top of the funnel through its advertising. However, the challenge is converting users and the progress in insurance is expected to help drive greater conversion and gain efficiencies in cost of acquisition.
Q:How will Better Help's business model evolve over time?
A:Better Help's business model will continue to be a mix of direct to consumer cash pay and insurance as a payment option. Over time, there is potential for efficiencies to be gained in cost of acquisition as insurance takes on a larger role in the business.
Q:What is the impact of the Catapult acquisition on cross-sales and integration within the company's services?
A:The Catapult acquisition has led to the creation of a larger funnel which is most relevant for chronic care solutions and P360 enrollment. It has facilitated the bundling and collaboration of services to engage more lives and address the needs of unengaged or mismanaged condition populations. The ability to reach people, raise awareness of their conditions, and integrate additional solutions has resonated across the company's services.
Q:What are the company's expectations for 2027 converts and the payment method for these?
A:The company is in a scaling phase and does not provide detailed metrics on conversion. However, Virginia, the first state launched, has provided stable data. The intent is to update the market on the progress as the scale and data mature, without being able to share specific details at this stage, although it remains in line with initial expectations on the 2027 convert.
Q:What are the company's expectations for cash flow and leverage moving forward?
A:The company expects to generate free cash flow that will add to its cash balance and maintain a strong balance sheet with a well-managed overall leverage metric. Specific plans for 2027 will be influenced by organic investment decisions made in the following year.
Q:What criteria guide the company's acquisition strategy and what is the status of their plans regarding the 2027 note?
A:The company's acquisition strategy aligns with the strategic priorities laid out by Chuck. They have been disciplined in organic investment and are actively planning various options to refinance the note in 2027, with decisions being made based on the rate environment and internal needs.
Q:How should investors view the spending cadence for sales and marketing expenses in the upcoming quarter and the following year?
A:Investors should expect a step-down in marketing spend in the fourth quarter (4Q) of 2025 relative to the third quarter (3Q) of the same year, which is in line with past patterns. The pattern will be similar in the integrated care segment as well. Additionally, the company has decided to pull forward a modest amount of marketing spend into 4Q to support key priorities for the following year. However, the 4Q 2025 investment in marketing for integrated care is not expected to be as significant a step up as it was in 2024.
Q:What pricing trends are observed for customers renewing their PM subscriptions?
A:The company is seeing a mix shift towards fee for service, but pricing for customers renewing their PM subscriptions has not seen significant pressure. However, the competitive market could be a factor, and the company is aware of the need to consider the expansion of services and other factors.
Q:What insights can be shared regarding payers and reimbursement discussions?
A:The company has added several new payers to its book of business, resulting in millions of incremental lives covered under insurance plans. Further details on reimbursement discussions were not provided, but it was mentioned that the company will monitor short-term margins in the insurance business, which had been factored into their strategic position.
Q:How is the company approaching the credentialing of therapists and the potential impacts on margins?
A:The company is focusing on margins while also capturing incremental users, sessions, and lifetime value, which are key to revenue growth and profit dollar growth. Investments in the revenue cycle and back-end capabilities are being made as the company scales quickly. As the credentialed network grows, it's expected that revenue will follow in terms of users and sessions, and the approach taken by the company is unique in terms of credentialing and integrating the therapist experience.
Q:What conversations are happening with payers regarding utilization-based revenue and its management?
A:The company has had discussions with payers regarding the value of having a virtual capability and visit, and utilization relative to other market players. These strategic conversations are not just about visits but also about engagement points that drive savings and avoidance of unnecessary costs.
Q:What are the expanded capabilities of the speaker's company?
A:The speaker's company is expanding its script care offering to address more care needs for the member and reduce unnecessary specialist referrals by bringing a specialist consult to the table.
Q:What opportunities exist in the member follow-up aspect of the speaker's company's services?
A:The member follow-up aspect offers opportunities for activation and participation in value, especially as the company migrates to a visit-based environment, leveraging their large number of annual visits as a strategic lever in the integrated care strategy.
Q:How does the company view the demand for its insurance offering and its outlook?
A:The company is keeping up with the demand in the states that have been launched. They ensure adequate therapy for a strong user experience and access, and their scaling plan includes matching the therapist network to meet demand, which they believe they can do with the interest shown and the ability to credential therapists.
Q:How does the company ensure it can meet demand without sacrificing the consumer experience?
A:The company ensures it can meet demand by having adequate capacity, which is a key criteria before launching in a state. It matches the therapist network to demand and has been able to do so, ensuring a strong net promoter score and experience.
Q:What factors are important in the chronic care enrollment trends and the built-in growth opportunity?
A:The sequential growth in chronic care enrollment was pleasing and met expectations. There's interest in program bundling and opportunities within already sold products. The company is working on innovations and clinical interventions for high-risk populations to improve health outcomes and engagement.
Q:How does the company plan to continue building upon the progress seen in the third quarter?
A:The company plans to continue building upon the progress seen in the third quarter by utilizing various levers and selling additional solutions to clients, before converting potential members.
Q:What is the percentage of patients still on therapy after one year, and what does this indicate about continuity of care?
A:The speaker indicates the need to provide more specific data on the percentage of patients still on therapy after one year to discuss continuity of care, emphasizing the potential influence of insurance coverage and ease of access to mental health services.
Q:What is the overlap between integrated care and better health, and how will the new well bound product support this?
A:The overlap between integrated care and better health is seen in the launch of the new well bound product, which integrates support for a range of needs, including mental health. This product is seen as a key to bringing better help into the arena of integrated care.

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