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冬海集团 (SE.US) 2025年第二季度业绩电话会
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Discussed robust growth in Shopee e-commerce through enhanced logistics and membership programs, Money's FinTech segment expanding credit offerings, and Garena's gaming success with Free Fire. Addressed competitive pressures, AI's role in operations, and maintained focus on profitability and cost efficiency.
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Company C's overview of the second quarter financial report conference call in 2025
This telephone conference focuses on Company C's financial performance in the second quarter of 2025, including strategy updates, operational highlights, and financial results. The conference discussed possible risks and uncertainties that may affect the future, and also discussed non-GAAP financial metrics such as adjusted EBITDA, emphasizing its importance in understanding the primary business cash flow. The investor relations team explained the use of non-GAAP metrics and provided a comparison with GAAP metrics.
E-commerce platform Shopee sees strong performance growth, with multiple innovations enhancing user and merchant experience.
The e-commerce platform Shopee achieved strong growth in the second quarter of 2020, with active buyers and purchase frequency continuing to rise, driving record-breaking GMV and revenue. Shopee has increased profitability and enhanced user loyalty and merchant satisfaction through measures such as increasing advertising revenue, optimizing logistics efficiency, and strengthening the content ecosystem. Particularly in the Brazilian market, Shopee has consolidated its market-leading position and achieved profitable growth by optimizing logistics and expanding product categories. The company will continue to innovate, expand market share, and enhance long-term profitability.
Strong growth in digital financial services: Diversification of loan portfolio and healthy asset quality.
Digital financial services performed well in the second quarter, with revenue and adjusted EBITDA increasing by over 20% year-on-year, healthy loan portfolios, and stable non-performing loan rates. The business diversified, reducing reliance on a single market, with standout performance in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and Brazil. Deep integration with the shopping ecosystem and the use of AI to optimize credit models effectively drove growth in products such as post-shopping installment payments, offline pay-later services, and personal cash loans. Specifically, the loan amount in the Malaysian market surpassed $10 billion, and Thailand and Malaysia have successfully integrated the national QR code network, providing a seamless offline payment experience. Overall, the digital financial services business is still in the early stages in several markets, demonstrating strong long-term growth potential and profitability.
Garena's gaming business is experiencing strong growth, with Free Fire leading the global market.
In the second quarter, Garena showed strong business growth, with key games such as Free Fire achieving double-digit growth. The launch of the new map Solara and the collaboration with Netflix for a celebratory event were well-received by players. The company has raised its full-year revenue forecast and is committed to continuous innovation and market expansion.
Financial report for the second quarter of 2025: Significant increase in revenue and profit.
In the second quarter of 2025, the total revenue of the company reached 5.3 billion US dollars, an increase of 38% year-on-year, mainly due to the growth of e-commerce and digital financial services. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 84% from the same period last year to 829 million US dollars. The total order value on the e-commerce platform increased by 29% to 33 billion US dollars; revenue from digital financial services increased by 70% to 883 million US dollars. Revenue from digital entertainment increased by 28% to 569 million US dollars. As of the end of June, the balance of consumer and small business loans reached 6.9 billion US dollars, an increase of 90% year-on-year. Net profit for the second quarter was 440 million US dollars, an increase of 450% year-on-year.
Analysis of the Growth of GMP and Competitive Situation in Brazil on E-commerce Platforms
The discussion focused on the 25% year-on-year growth rate of the e-commerce platform GMP in the first half of the year and the future guidance outlook. It emphasized that the growth momentum in Q3 will continue, and the full-year growth rate will exceed previous expectations. When discussing the Brazilian market, it was pointed out that despite actions taken by competitors, the business itself is experiencing stable growth. By optimizing the logistics cost structure, maintaining price competitiveness, and expanding high-value sellers, it is expected that the growth trend will not be affected.
Analysis of the cost-benefit of the e-commerce platform's membership program and real-time delivery, as well as the EBITDA outlook.
Discussed the potential and cost impact of the VIP membership program on e-commerce platforms in the Indonesian market, as well as the target countries and cost considerations for the newly launched instant delivery service. Mentioned the seasonal fluctuations and long-term improvement trends of EBITDA profit margins. Emphasized the importance of initial investment in membership programs and cultivating user habits, while noting that high-value users are more likely to accept instant delivery services, which is believed to have a positive impact on business growth.
Competition Structure and Growth Strategies of E-commerce Platforms and Gaming Business in the Brazilian Market
Discussed the impact of emerging competitors in the Brazilian market such as Timo and TikTok, as well as the market share of high-value products. Analyzed the growth of the gaming business driven primarily by "Free Fire" and looked ahead to opportunities brought by new maps and IP collaborations. Additionally, explored the growth strategies of financial technology in Brazil, including increasing BNPL penetration rates and differences with Asian markets.
Adjustment of e-commerce platform ecosystem and expansion into the Brazilian financial market.
The dialogue revolves around the adjustment of the e-commerce platform ecosystem, discussing the impact of changes in commission rates on ecosystem health, as well as the significant growth of loan businesses in the Brazilian market. It emphasizes the promotion of loan business development through the integration of external data and optimization of risk assessment systems, and also looks forward to the potential of the Brazilian financial market and future product planning.
Advertising technology upgrades and investment strategies in the Brazilian market.
Discussed the increase in conversion rates and future potential brought by upgrading advertising technology, emphasizing the role of AI technology in optimizing algorithms. At the same time, analyzed the impact of logistics improvements in the Brazilian market on profitability, and proposed the need to balance investment with profitability to achieve long-term development.
Brazilian logistics services see a trend of low capital investment and improved EBITDA.
The logistics services in Brazil have effectively reduced capital expenditures by focusing on investments in automatic sorting machines and distribution center construction, rather than heavy assets such as land and trucks, reducing the capital burden. With the expansion of SPX coverage and efficiency improvements, this strategy continues to drive improvement in EBITDA, allowing the Brazilian business to remain profitable even in a high-speed market growth.
Discussion on the Application of AI Technology in Advertising and Growth Strategies
The discussion revolved around the growth goals of the advertising business and the application of AI technology. It mentioned that the current level of the advertising business is at 2%, with a medium to long-term goal of 4%-5%, and discussed the application of AI in improving advertising technology, internal operational efficiency, and potential new business expansion, such as product description generation, customer service automation, and marketing campaign optimization, showcasing AI's comprehensive empowerment of the business.
Diversification of the gaming industry and integration of AI technology: New game features and innovation driven by AI.
Discussed the initial performance of new games in the gaming industry other than Free Fire, such as Delta Force, emphasizing the application of AI in game development and player interaction, including improving production efficiency and enhancing player experience, especially through AI-generated content and promoting team games, demonstrating the profound impact of AI technology on the gaming industry.
Large-scale high-quality experience implementation strategy and future prospects
Discussed strategies to ensure consistency and high quality user experience in large-scale applications, expressed confidence and expectations for achieving this goal, thanked participants, and previewed the communication plan for next quarter. The meeting ended in a friendly atmosphere.
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Q:What is the growth rate of Shop DMV in the first half of the year and the expectation for Q3?
A:Shop DMV grew 20% year on year in the first half and the growth momentum is expected to carry into Q3.
Q:What are the highlights of the company's performance in the second quarter?
A:The company has delivered robust, healthy growth across its businesses, with Shop DMV showing growth, Money's loan book expanding rapidly with a healthy NPL ratio, and Grana expecting full year bookings to grow more than 100% year on year. The company is pursuing growth opportunities while improving profitability through discipline and cost efficiency.
Q:How has Shopee's monetization improved in the second quarter?
A:Shopee's monetization improved in the second quarter, largely driven by strong growth in advertising revenue. The number of sellers using Shopee's ad products rose by around 150% and as paying sellers' average quarterly ad spend grew by more than 150% year on year.
Q:What is the new campaign slogan launched by Shopee and how did it perform?
A:Shopee's new campaign slogan, 'Cheaper, faster at shopping', resonated well with buyers, resulting in a more than 10% year on year uplift in the overall purchase frequency during the quarter.
Q:How have Shopee's logistics capabilities performed?
A:Shopee's logistics capabilities have continued to improve, with a reduction in logistics cost per order and improved delivery speeds across Asia and Brazil. Shopee introduced initiatives like instant delivery options and intelligent demand forecasting to address specific customer needs and enhance service quality.
Q:What is the impact of the Shopping VIP Membership Program and its expansion?
A:The Shopping VIP Membership Program has shown very good momentum in Indonesia, with total GMV from VIP members growing nearly 150% quarter on quarter and a 30% higher monthly average purchase. The program has been expanded to Thailand and Vietnam, reaching a total of 1 million subscribers by the end of June in the latter market.
Q:How has the content ecosystem contributed to buyer engagement and conversion?
A:Shopee's content ecosystem has been a powerful engine of buyer engagement and conversion, with AI tools helping sellers produce high-quality video content and orders from live streaming and short-form video accounting for more than 70% of total physical goods order volume in the second quarter. The collaboration with YouTube has also continued to grow, with more than 150 million YouTube videos featuring Shopee products across Southeast Asia as of June.
Q:What are the achievements of the company in Brazil, including growth and Adjusted EBITDA?
A:In Brazil, the company has delivered exceptional growth with an average monthly active buyer increase of over 100% year on year in the second quarter, faster than the industry average. The company has maintained a positive Adjusted EBITDA and has improved logistics, with a 16% reduction in cost per order and a decrease in average delivery time by more than 10 days year on year in the greater Sao Paulo region. The company has also expanded its product selection, contributing to steady and healthy increases in buyers' average basket sizes. The strong momentum is attributed to solid fundamentals, especially in logistics improvements and product category expansion.
Q:What achievements has Shopee in Brazil celebrated and what role has it played in digital entrepreneurship?
A:Shopee celebrated its 1st year anniversary in Brazil and became the market leader by order volume, grew fast, and operated profitably. It played a role in promoting digital entrepreneurship to over 15 million Brazilians, with 30% of active sellers using Shopee as their first experience selling online and more than half relying on it as their primary source of income.
Q:How has Money's digital financial services performed and what is the status of its loan portfolio?
A:Money's digital financial services had another very strong quarter with revenue and Adjusted EBITDA growing more than 20% year on year. The loan portfolio remains healthy thanks to prudent risk management. The number of first-time borrowers grew over 10 million, with Malaysia's loan book surpassing $100 billion, and robust growth was also reported in Brazil.
Q:What is the growth of notebook and the impact of AI on credit models?
A:The notebook grew over 100% year on year to reach $6.9 billion, driven by an expanding user base and a wider range of products. AI is increasingly used to improve the credit model, which, together with the unique advantages of deep and seamless integration with the shopping ecosystem and a large base of users growing credit track records, enhances underwriting capabilities across product lines.
Q:What is the growth of Shopee's Slick Later and the initiatives that have contributed to its success?
A:Shopee's Slick Later has solid growth across markets with GNV penetration in the mid-teens. Initiatives that contributed to its success include a one-month interest-free option, tier-based pricing, and a feature allowing users to request a higher credit limit by submitting proof of income. These measures helped capture more prime users and contributed to a record number of Slick Later borrowers in June.
Q:How has the integration of as pay later with Malaysia's national QR network affected users in Malaysia?
A:In Malaysia, integrating as pay later with the national QR network has enabled seamless and flexible offline usage on everyday purchases, resulting in the off shopping as later portfolio growing quarter on quarter and accounting for more than half of the Slick Later portfolio in Malaysia at the end of June.
Q:What progress has been made with personal cash loans and how does it contribute to Money's growth?
A:Personal cash loans have gained good traction, quickly and profitably scaled by cross-selling to estimated later users with good repayment trends. As a result, personal cash loans outstanding have almost doubled year on year, and there is significant headroom for further growth in this product category.
Q:What has been the performance of Gona and its key titles in the second quarter?
A:Gona continued its strong growth momentum with bookings up 23% and adjusted EBITDA up 22% year on year. Key titles like Free Fire, Arena Valor, EA Sports FIFA, and Call of Duty Mobile all experienced double-digit growth in the second quarter.
Q:What is the status of Free Fire's user base and recent updates that have been well received by players?
A:Free Fire has a massive global user base with over 40 million average daily active users. The game continued to grow well after eight years, with a new map called Solara being well received, featuring new gameplay innovations and nostalgia for iconic elements from earlier in the game's history. The response to the new full map light rail feature and new camera mode was exceptional, expanding the game's visibility and engagement.
Q:How has Garena performed in the first half of the year and what is the expectation for the full year?
A:Garena has delivered a very strong performance in the first half of the year, establishing Free Fire as an evergreen franchise with sustained user engagement and global appeal. The company is raising full-year guidance for Garena, expecting bookings to grow more than 50% in 2025 compared to the second quarter of 2024.
Q:What was the overall financial performance of the company in the second quarter?
A:Overall GAAP revenue increased 38% year on year to $5.3 billion in the second quarter, primarily driven by the growth of the e-commerce business and digital financial services. The total Adjusted EBITDA was $829 million compared to $448 million in the same quarter of the previous year.
Q:What was the year-over-year growth in digital financial services revenue for the second quarter of 2025?
A:Digital financial services revenue was up by 70% year on year to $883 million in the second quarter of 2025.
Q:What was the net income in the second quarter of 2025 and how does it compare to the second quarter of 2024?
A:The net income in the second quarter of 2025 was $440 million, compared to a net income of $80 million in the second quarter of 2024.
Q:What is the impact of instant delivery on business growth?
A:The impact of instant delivery on business growth is positive, as it caters to a user base with higher purchasing power and better acceptance of costs for subscription services.
Q:What seasonal impact did Q1 and Q2 have on the EBITDA margin?
A:Q1 had a significant seasonal impact on the EBITDA margin due to Ramadan, which falls into Q1 for Indonesia and Malaysia, and the holiday falls into Q2. This had a big seasonal impact on the business's EBITDA.
Q:What is the current percentage contribution from higher ticket items in Brazil?
A:The current percentage contribution from higher ticket items in Brazil is not directly provided in the transcript content.
Q:Why was the guidance for bookings increased, and what are the expectations for new games?
A:The guidance for bookings was increased mainly due to the outperformance of Free Fire, which is expected to continue contributing to growth. There is also an expectation for a higher contribution from new games in the future, given the increased bookings guidance for the issue.
Q:What is the strategy for ramping up FinTech in Brazil, and what is the current state of BNPL penetration and growth expectations?
A:The strategy for ramping up FinTech in Brazil involves significant growth, as indicated by a two times year-over-year growth in active users for loans and more than two times growth in outstanding loans. The exact current state of BNPL penetration and growth expectations are not specified in the transcript content.
Q:What new license has the company acquired and what does it enable?
A:The company has acquired a license and obtained initial approval for an SFI license, which will enable better funding sources in the future. They have also formed partnerships with external lenders to support lending funds in the Brazilian market.
Q:What is the current potential upside for CEF digital financial services in Brazil and how does it compare to Asia?
A:The company is optimistic about the potential upside for CEF digital financial services in Brazil and believes it is still in a very early stage compared to Asia. The penetration of e-commerce sites in Brazil is around the single to double-digit range, indicating a large room for growth, and personal loans are still in a nascent stage.
Q:What investments are needed to further improve profitability in the Brazilian market?
A:To further improve profitability in the Brazilian market, investments in enhancing logistics efficiency and expanding delivery hubs across the country are mentioned as necessary. However, it's noted that the logistics service in Brazil is relatively less capital intensive, with investments mainly in sorting machines and delivery hubs, which do not entail significant capex burdens.
Q:What improvements have been made in the advertising tech space, specifically in terms of seller participation and conversion?
A:The improvements in the advertising tech space include better traffic allocation algorithms between ads and organics, and the introduction of GMB Ma, which helps sellers allocate ad spend more efficiently and maximize return. These changes have led to a 20% increase in active sellers and a 40% rise in revenue from sellers.
Q:Is the long-term target for ad revenue growth still 4 to 5%?
A:The previously stated medium to long-term target for ad revenue growth of 4 to 5% is still the case according to the transcript.
Q:What are the potential new business opportunities for the company in using AI beyond its core business?
A:Potential new business opportunities for the company in using AI include expanding AI technology for general recommendations, improving conversion rates, generating more attractive product descriptions and videos, and enhancing customer interactions. This technology is currently used to improve conversion rates, assist customer service, and support sellers in their interactions with buyers.
Q:What are the areas where AI is being integrated within the company's operations?
A:AI is being integrated into various operations, including product development and marketing campaigns, with the aim of enhancing efficiency and monetization.
Q:How is AI currently benefiting the gaming business in terms of time span and monetization?
A:AI is benefiting the gaming business by improving the development and production process, with the ability to generate high-quality original art for new content and maps, significantly boosting productivity.
Q:What is the company's stance on the performance of their games other than the success of Free Fire?
A:The company acknowledges the early promising results for games like Delta Force and Peacebreakers but emphasizes that they are still in the fine-tuning stage and requires more time to determine their future impact.
Q:How is the company planning to use AI to enable users to create their own game content?
A:The company is actively exploring the use of generative AI to allow gamers to create their own content, aiming for more immersive, interactive, and individualized experiences.
Q:What is the company's approach to ensuring that AI experiences are applied consistently across the board?
A:The company is working on ensuring that AI experiences are applied in large scale and consistently high quality, although it acknowledges that this is still an early stage and improvements are being actively worked on.
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