Cloudflare, Inc. (NET.US) 2025年第二季度业绩电话会
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Cloudflare reported robust Q2 2025 financial results, including a $2 billion annual revenue run rate, a 28% year-over-year revenue growth, and strategic wins with major contracts. The company focuses on innovation, market expansion, and leveraging AI for web monetization, with a strong commitment to disciplined execution and operational efficiency.
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This meeting detailed Cloudflare's financial performance in the second quarter of 2025, including its customers, suppliers, partners, operations, and future financial outlook. In addition, discussions also covered expected product releases, market potential, forecasts for future macroeconomic conditions, while emphasizing that all forward-looking statements are subject to uncertainty and cautioning investors to be aware of risks. The meeting concluded with the announcement of several important technical forums and conferences that the company will be attending.

In the second quarter, Cloudflare achieved a year-on-year growth of 28%, with revenue reaching $5.123 billion and annual run rate revenue exceeding $20 billion. The company has 3,712 customers who pay more than $100,000 annually, a 22% increase year-on-year, and revenue contribution from large customers has significantly increased. Its dollar-based net retention rate is 114%, with gross margin and operating profit reaching the expected targets and $72.3 million, respectively. The company emphasizes significant progress in innovation, sales capabilities, and growth in large customers, laying a solid foundation for future development.

Cloudflare achieved a series of important partnership victories this quarter, including signing a $15 million, 100-year fund pool contract with a rapidly growing AI company, as well as multiple contracts with Fortune 500 and global financial services companies, large state government entities, and leading digital travel companies. These partnerships cover various areas such as network resilience, zero trust solutions, security, and application services, showcasing Cloudflare's leading position in innovation, performance, and reliability. These customers chose Cloudflare's unified platform to enhance security, simplify architecture, and achieve significant cost savings.

Cloud computing companies are teaming up with media companies to tackle the challenges brought about by the transition from search engines to AI in the online world. With AI companies finding it much harder to generate traffic, this has impacted the advertising and subscription revenue of media companies. Cloud computing companies are working with major publishers to explore new business models in the AI-driven internet, not only to support content creators, but also to anticipate potentially broader opportunities for network transactions by building payment systems to facilitate transactions between AI companies and publishers in the future.

During this discussion, a cloud computing company detailed its performance growth in the second quarter, emphasizing strong performance in large customers, enterprise sectors, specific vertical industries, and developer platforms. The company's revenue increased by 28% year-on-year to $512.3 million, mainly due to the continuous growth of large customers, active development in vertical industries such as finance, public sector, retail, and media, advancement in developer platforms, and emphasis on security and resilience. Additionally, the company mentioned the expansion of the sales team and improvement in sales productivity.

In the second quarter, Cloudflare achieved significant revenue growth, with the US market contributing 49% growth, EMEA (Europe, Middle East, and Africa) region growing by 28%, and APAC (Asia-Pacific) region growing by 15%, with annual growth rates of 29% and 44% respectively. The company has over 266,000 paying customers, an increase of 15,000 from the previous quarter, with a higher proportion of revenue coming from large customers. The gross margin is 76.3%, slightly down but still within the long-term target range. Network capital expenditures accounted for 11% of revenue, with a full-year estimate of 12%-13%. In terms of operational efficiency, operating expenses decreased while operating income increased by 27% to $7.23 billion. Additionally, the company issued $2 billion in 0% convertible bonds and ended the second quarter with $40 billion in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities. Looking ahead, Cloudflare plans to accelerate growth through ongoing innovation and maintaining strong financial performance.

The company expects a growth in revenue of 26%-27% in the third quarter of 2025, and a full year revenue growth of 27%. It has also detailed the expected ranges for operating income, after-tax income, and earnings per share. At the same time, the company emphasizes its commitment to creating shareholder value through strict execution, continuous growth, and operational efficiency.

Cloudflare is exploring various business models for its network services, including but not limited to transaction-based micropayments and differential pricing, aiming to promote faster, more reliable, and more secure internet transactions. Although it is difficult to accurately predict revenue models at this stage, Cloudflare is committed to promoting widespread adoption of its services, ensuring that it becomes a universal translator for various protocols. Cloudflare strives to be compatible and provide support for any protocol used by users, whether it be MCP, Google, or Microsoft protocols.

Cloudflare detailed its unique architectural advantages in handling large-scale DDoS attacks, emphasizing that all of its servers have the ability to run all services without the need for a dedicated scrubbing center. This not only ensures efficiency in dealing with DDoS attacks but also helps control costs. Additionally, these architectural advantages extend to zero-trust services and other products, ensuring efficient and stable service on a global scale.

In the conversation, it was mentioned that the company has exceeded its financial targets and made significant progress in areas such as large clients, fund pool transactions, and variable income. The growth market team has also been successful in improving sales productivity and capacity, which has made the company confident in its future growth momentum. It is expected that this momentum will continue to have a positive impact in the second half of the year.

Cloudflare has significantly improved its ability to sign large deals by improving its market strategy and strengthening relationships with partners. In the past, the company relied mainly on the attractiveness of its products for growth, but when facing million-dollar deals, it was difficult to achieve solely based on product appeal. Therefore, Cloudflare enhanced direct relationships with buyers to help them understand the platform's full capabilities. Additionally, the company shifted towards a partner-centric sales strategy, accelerating sales growth through partner channels and facilitating deals with large transactions. The company's leadership is spending more time interacting with partners to ensure that Cloudflare becomes their premium partner, a strategy crucial for entering the upscale market and pursuing larger deals.

The dialogue explored the symbiotic relationship between AI technology companies and content creators, emphasizing the importance of original content for AI engines, as well as ensuring market fairness and equal access to content in building AI products. It also discussed how to establish a reasonable payment mechanism between AI companies and content creators to support the development of the ecosystem and ensure that both emerging and existing enterprises can compete fairly in the market.

The dialogue discussed the changing role of cloud service providers in the media industry, from initially being lacking in attractiveness to later becoming strategically important, especially when facing challenges such as CDM space renewal, pricing, and negotiations. It brought up the long-term value of free services for cloud service providers, emphasizing that by helping media companies generate revenue instead of directly earning from them, they may have a more significant impact. Additionally, it mentioned the demand of AI companies for comprehensive human knowledge, and how cloud services can meet this demand by providing access to unique content.

Cloudflare has established partnerships with 80% of major AI companies by providing security protection and global-scale inference capabilities. Its security services help AI companies defend against malicious requests and credit card fraud, while Cloudflare Workers AI can optimize model inference performance, meet regulatory requirements, and improve user experience. Cloudflare is continuing to invest in supporting larger-scale models and further expanding collaboration with AI companies.

During the discussion, a landmark company was mentioned to have strengthened its market strategy through acquisitions, along with potential issues that this strategy could bring, such as system complexity and security vulnerabilities. At the same time, the speaker emphasized the importance of internal research and innovation, stating that while large acquisitions are not ruled out, strict criteria will be set and there is a greater preference for driving the development of network and AI security through seamless development of its own technology and products.

Cloudflare has been elevated to the Visionary Quadrant in the Gartner single vendor quadrant, demonstrating its rapid product market deployment strategy and emphasis on user feedback, thus driving innovation speed ahead of its competitors. A recent example is successfully winning back a deal that was lost 18 months ago, indicating the company's competitiveness in the market and customer recognition of its products and services.

The Cloudflare team is rapidly innovating in the field of network security, successfully winning back customers in the market with faster deployment speeds, higher ROI, and ease of use. Despite facing challenges such as lack of market awareness and competition from rivals, Cloudflare has achieved significant success in competing with first-generation Sasi or Zero Trust suppliers through continuous innovation and cost advantages. Even with increasing global economic uncertainty, Cloudflare continues to receive market recognition for accelerating businesses and providing real security value.

The conversation discussed how to use cloud computing platforms, especially AI technology, to attract enterprises to migrate some or all of their workloads from traditional hyperscalers or on-premise deployments to using cloud computing platforms. The focus is on gradually establishing long-term partnerships with enterprises by demonstrating the migration benefits of individual key functions, such as cost savings, performance improvements, and enhanced security, with the ultimate goal of achieving large-scale business migration and gaining transactions in the millions or even billions. It also mentioned the formation of dedicated teams to specifically attract certain customers to accelerate this migration process.

The company discussed its strategies and trends in the federal government business, emphasizing the importance of FedRAMP certification. It was stated that they are expected to complete all certification requirements by the end of this year, which will enable the company to pursue federal government business opportunities without restrictions.

Discussed the significant growth of the large customer fund pool business in the second quarter, as well as the positive impact of this growth on bookings and consumption. Mentioned the contribution of the fund pool business to variable income and dollar net retention rate (DNR), emphasizing the positive effects being reaped with the maturity of the business and optimization of market strategies.

During this special period, the Cloudflare team has demonstrated outstanding execution in the face of major changes in the operations of the internet and artificial intelligence fields. The team is at the center of these trends, actively shaping the future. Matthew Prince expresses gratitude to the entire team and customers, and is looking forward to the future of Cloudflare, anticipating gathering again in the next quarter.
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Q:What were the financial results for Cloudflare's second quarter of 2025?
A:Cloudflare's financial results for the second quarter of 2025 included $512.3 million of revenue, a year-over-year revenue growth of 28%, and having 3712 customers paying more than $100,000 per year. The revenue contribution from large customers grew by 22% year over year. Cloudflare also had a dollar-based net retention of 114%, gross margin in line with their long-term target range, an operating profit of $72.3 million, and strong free cash flow of $147 million during the quarter.
Q:What is the significance of Cloudflare's revenue growth and customer base expansion?
A:The significance of Cloudflare's revenue growth and customer base expansion is that it marks a key inflection point for the company, with accelerating revenue growth and a stronger customer base contributing to the financial success. The number of customers paying more than $100,000 per year increased, and the revenue contribution from these large customers grew at the highest level since 2022, demonstrating the effectiveness of the company's strategy to drive reaccelerating growth.
Q:How did Cloudflare's innovation and customer feedback reflect in the second quarter?
A:Cloudflare's innovation and customer feedback were reflected in the company's momentum from the quarter's results, showing that real investments led to record ACV bookings. This indicates that customers' votes with their wallets recognized the value provided by Cloudflare's innovations.
Q:What operational and strategic progress did Cloudflare achieve in the second quarter?
A:In the second quarter, Cloudflare achieved significant operational and strategic progress across multiple go-to-market areas. This included a year-over-year increase in the number of ramp account executives, an improvement in sales productivity, and continued growth with the company's largest customers. New pipeline attainment exceeded expectations and grew at the fastest rate in more than two years, contributing to the strong performance across the board.
Q:What notable wins and expansions did Cloudflare secure in the quarter?
A:Cloudflare secured several notable wins and expansions in the quarter, including a rapidly growing AI company expanding their relationship with a $15 million contract, a Fortune 500 multinational financial services company expanding with a three-year contract, a Fortune 100 global financial services company expanding with a one-year $5 million contract, a large state government entity expanding with a five-year $5.1 million contract for various security products, a Fortune 500 technology company expanding with a three-year zero-trust contract, a rapidly growing AI company expanding with a five-year $4.6 million contract, and a leading digital travel company expanding with a four-year $3.8 million contract for workers developer platform. These wins showcase Cloudflare's diverse customer base and their ability to provide enhanced security, performance, and scale.
Q:What are the new threats to media companies' business that have come to light recently?
A:The new threats to media companies' business include changes in how the web interface has shifted from search to AI, resulting in a significant decrease in traffic from search engines like Google and a preference for AI-generated content over original links.
Q:What is the impact of AI on the process of getting traffic from search engines?
A:The impact of AI on getting traffic from search engines is negative; it is 10 times harder to get traffic from Google now compared to a decade ago, and this trend is even more pronounced with pure AI companies, where the difficulty is about 30000 times greater.
Q:Why is Cloudflare well-positioned to assist media companies and AI companies?
A:Cloudflare is well-positioned to assist media companies and AI companies because it services more than 20% of the web and is used by around 80% of leading AI companies, providing a unique opportunity to help reinvent the business model for content creators on the AI-driven web.
Q:What new business models are being developed for content creators on the AI-driven web?
A:New business models for content creators on the AI-driven web include direct payments from AI companies to publishers and facilitating transactions that could be used for a range of online activities beyond content creation.
Q:How is Cloudflare planning to facilitate transactions for the 'agent web'?
A:Cloudflare is strategically positioned to deliver the 'agent web' of the future by building rails to power payments from AI companies to publishers, which could also facilitate transactions for online activities such as agents doing for you tasks.
Q:What new product areas is Cloudflare focusing on, and what is their significance?
A:Cloudflare is focusing on empowering e-commerce transactions for publishers, which is significant enough to be referred to internally as a new Act (Act 3) alongside their other product areas. This signifies their strategic importance and ongoing development in this space.
Q:What are the recent achievements of Cloudflare's business, according to the transcript?
A:Recent achievements of Cloudflare's business include reaccelerating growth, increasing revenue by 28% year over year to $512.3 million, with strong performance across customer metrics such as adding over 15,000 paying customers sequentially, ending with more than 266,000 large customers contributing to an increased revenue contribution from large customers. Cloudflare also had a record number of customers spending over a million dollars or over $5 million with them, resulting in an accelerated dollar-based net retention rate.
Q:What were the geographic revenue increases for Cloudflare in the second quarter?
A:In the second quarter, Cloudflare's geographic revenue increases were as follows: the US represented 49% of revenue and grew 22% over year, EMEA represented 28% of revenue and grew 29% over year, and APAC represented 15% of revenue and grew 44% year over year.
Q:How did Cloudflare's customer metrics perform in the second quarter?
A:Cloudflare's customer metrics in the second quarter included approximately 26,600 paying customers, adding over 15,000 sequentially, an increase of 15% over year. The number of large customers grew, with a revenue contribution from large customers increasing to 73% of revenue during the quarter. Cloudflare also saw strength in its largest customer cohorts, adding a record number of customers spending over a year with the company, which positively impacted expansion business.
Q:What was the RPO at the end of the second quarter and how does it compare to the previous year?
A:The remaining performance obligation (RPO) at the end of the second quarter was $1977 million, representing an increase of 6% sequentially and 39% year over year.
Q:What is the projected revenue and diluted net income per share for the third quarter and full year 2025?
A:For the third quarter, the expected revenue is in the range of $543.5 to $544.5 million, with an expected operating income of the range of $75 to $76 million and diluted net income per share of 23 cents. For the full year 2025, the expected revenue is in the range of $2000000113.5 million to $2000000115.5 million, with an expected operating income in the range of 284 to $286 million and diluted net income per share in the range of 85 to 86 cents.
Q:What is the vision for the business model for the web and how does Cloudflare plan to enable and monetize it?
A:Cloudflare is looking to enable a variety of business models for its customers and plans to monetize it by potentially taking a fee from transactions that occur through its platform. The company aims to facilitate these transactions and ensure that it remains a key part of the internet infrastructure. However, it's too early to model the exact revenue this will generate as the business models are still evolving.
Q:How does Cloudflare's architecture advantage relate to handling DDoS attacks?
A:Cloudflare's architectural advantage lies in its ability to distribute the capacity required for handling DDoS attacks across its entire network, rather than relying on specific scrubbing centers. This allows for better performance, reduced latency, and greater capacity planning efficiency compared to traditional methods used by competitors. Cloudflare's design means that every server can run every service, eliminating the need for limited-size scrubbing centers and providing a more robust and scalable solution for mitigating DDoS attacks.
Q:What is the difference between a search engine and an answer engine in terms of content monetization?
A:A search engine directs users to content where the creator can monetize it, while an answer engine provides answers without requiring the user to leave, therefore, content creators need a different value back that isn't just based on traffic.
Q:Why is a level playing field important in the content market?
A:A level playing field is crucial to ensure that new startups have an opportunity to exist without one company having a unique advantage in accessing content that others do not.
Q:Who are the potential buyers for content in the AI space?
A:The potential buyers for content in the AI space initially include a limited set of AI companies or entities that are accessing content as part of transactions, such as for training or delivering answers through an answer engine.
Q:Why might the long tail of content be valuable to AI companies?
A:The long tail of content, which consists of unique and valuable pieces, is essential for AI companies to build systems that represent the sum total of human knowledge. Having access to this 'gems' of content can be as important as monetizing it.
Q:How can Cloudflare deepen its relationships with foundation model vendors?
A:Cloudflare can deepen its relationships with foundation model vendors by continuing to provide security services, as most major AI companies are already Cloudflare customers, and by also offering performance-enhancing services like running inference closer to users, which is becoming increasingly important as regulations target AI companies.
Q:What unique security threats do AI companies face and how does Cloudflare address them?
A:AI companies face security threats such as high-volume requests against foundational models, which can be automated and result in financial loss if not controlled. Cloudflare addresses these threats by sitting in front of AI companies to protect against such attacks.
Q:Why is moving inference closer to users important and how does Cloudflare facilitate this?
A:Moving inference closer to users is important to optimize performance and meet regulatory needs regarding data localization. Cloudflare facilitates this by deploying workers across its global network to run inference tasks, even for smaller models, and by investing in systems to support larger models.
Q:What is the strategic rationale behind Palo Alto Networks buying a fiber op?
A:The strategic rationale behind Palo Alto Networks' acquisition of a fiber op is that the company wants to enhance its play in AI security, although the specific details of how this will turn into financial gains are not clear and might not happen until later years.
Q:What is Cloudflare's strategy regarding acquisition and internal development?
A:Cloudflare has a high hurdle rate for acquisitions and generally prioritizes internal innovation and development over acquisitions. They believe in building their own technology and products internally rather than through a series of acquisitions, which they feel can lead to complex and expensive systems.
Q:How does Cloudflare view its competitive position in the market?
A:Cloudflare views its competitive position as being strong, evidenced by its move into the visionary quadrant in Gartner's and Forrester's rankings. They believe that their rapid innovation, ease of deployment, and ability to deliver a high return on investment to customers help them win over customers, even from competitors.
Q:What is Cloudflare's approach to winning workloads from hyperscalers or on-premise setups?
A:Cloudflare's approach to winning workloads is to initially target specific, mission-critical functions within an application to demonstrate the value of their platform. This approach helps Cloudflare get a foothold and build relationships over time, eventually transitioning larger workloads away from hyperscalers and large spend, with the potential to save customers significant amounts of money.
Q:What is the status of FedRAMP certification for Cloudflare?
A:FedRAMP is a priority for Cloudflare, and they are on track to meet all requirements before the end of the year, which will allow them to pursue business with the federal government without restrictions.

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