Meta Platforms (META.US) 2025年第二季度业绩电话会
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Meta reported strong Q2 2025 performance with 3.4 billion daily active users and a 22% revenue increase, fueled by AI advancements. The company is investing heavily in AI infrastructure and talent, pursuing key opportunities in advertising, engagement, and AI devices. AI innovations, including superintelligence development and improved recommendation models, are expected to significantly enhance services and monetization strategies. Financial projections for Q3 2025 and full-year expenses highlight a focus on AI capacity and infrastructure expansion.
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At the 2025 second quarter financial report meeting of Meta, the CEO and CFO introduced the company's current business performance, emphasizing the importance of over 3.4 billion daily active users and its AI investments. They discussed the company's progress in the field of AI, including self-improvement of AI systems, pursuit of superintelligence, and the newly established Meta Superintelligence Lab. In addition, they mentioned the company's development of multiple large-scale computing clusters to support AI research, and detailed the prospects for the application of AI in advertising, user experience, business information, AI devices, and other areas.

The strong performance of this quarter's results is mainly attributed to artificial intelligence (AI), which has unlocked higher efficiency and revenue in the advertising system. By expanding AI-driven advertising recommendation models, improving their performance, and introducing more signals and longer contexts, the conversion rates of ads on Instagram and Facebook have increased by approximately 5% and 3% respectively. Additionally, AI has made significant progress in improving user experience, with improvements in the recommendation system leading to a 5% and 6% increase in user time on Facebook and Instagram respectively. AI has also been used in video editing tools and business information exchange, helping businesses interact better with consumers. At the same time, the sales of AI devices such as Ray-Ban and Oakley Meta glasses have accelerated, showcasing the potential of AI applications in everyday life. In the field of virtual reality, the Meta Quest ecosystem continues to attract users, expanding applications such as cloud gaming and media browsing. Overall, AI has played a key role in driving business growth and innovation.

Meta Platforms Inc. had a total revenue of $47.5 billion in the second quarter of 2023, a 22% increase year-on-year, mainly driven by increased infrastructure costs and rising partner payment expenses. Total expenses for the quarter were $27.1 billion, a 12% increase, with research and development expenses increasing by 23% and marketing and sales expenses increasing by 9%. The total number of employees in the company was 75,900, a decrease of 1% in the quarter. Operating income was $20.4 billion, with an operating profit margin of 43%. Net profit was $18.3 billion, with earnings per share of $7.14. Capital expenditures were $17 billion, mainly used for investments in servers, data centers, and network infrastructure. Advertising revenue for the family of apps business was $46.6 billion, a 21% increase, mainly driven by strong growth in Europe and other regions worldwide.

In the second quarter (Q2), Meta company allocated the majority of its investments towards developing and operating its family applications, with expenses on family applications reaching $22.2 billion, accounting for 82% of total expenses, a 14% year-on-year increase. The operating income for its family applications and Reality Labs department were $25 billion and $37 million respectively, with the latter seeing a 5% year-on-year growth due to increased sales of AI glasses. Additionally, Meta continues to optimize its recommendation systems and product experiences to increase user engagement, especially in video content on Facebook and Instagram. The company is also exploring the use of AI technology to improve recommendation systems and content discovery, including providing services across multiple platforms with Meta AI. In terms of Reality Labs, demand for Ray-Ban Meta products continues to exceed supply, and the company is working to increase production to meet consumer demand. Furthermore, Meta has begun to introduce advertising in the updates labels for Threads and WhatsApp, even though the immediate contribution of these platforms to advertising revenue is minimal, the company remains optimistic about their long-term potential.

In the second quarter, Facebook significantly increased the relevance and personalization of its advertisements by innovating its ad system, including improving the Andromeda model architecture, enhancing the performance of the Generative Ads (Gem) system, and expanding the coverage of the Lattice model architecture. These improvements drove nearly 4% higher conversion rates on Facebook mobile Feed and Reels, increased ad conversion rates by about 5% on Instagram, and improved conversion rates by 3% on Facebook Feed and Reels. Additionally, Facebook's Advantage Plus AI-driven solution gained strong momentum, especially in the use of video generation, image animation, and text generation tools, attracting nearly 2 million advertisers. Furthermore, the company completed the deployment of global incrementality attribution capabilities and launched global omni-channel advertising to help advertisers optimize online and offline sales and reduce total purchasing costs.

The focus of this discussion is on the company's capital allocation strategy, mainly targeting investments in infrastructure and recruitment of talent, specifically in recruiting top talent in the field of AI and accelerating AI model and product development. It is expected that investments in infrastructure and talent will continue to grow in 2026, while emphasizing the significant returns of AI capabilities in advertising and organic engagement projects. In addition, revenue expectations for the third and fourth quarters of 2025 are provided, as well as expected ranges for total expenses and capital expenditures for the year, while also mentioning the potential impact of changes in tax laws and the regulatory environment in Europe.

In recent discussions, the company's senior management delved into the evolution of the artificial intelligence business in the past three to six months, sharing key learnings and how these learnings have influenced talent acquisition and the strategy adjustment of computing resources. They emphasized the initial effectiveness of AI in improving the quality of Facebook algorithms and user engagement, although the scale is currently small, showing an optimistic development trajectory. Additionally, the company insists on considering superintelligence as an important principle, believing that AI will profoundly change the company's systems and business models, thus driving the demand for top talent and leading computing capabilities to accelerate the widespread application and product integration of AI technology.

The company has not yet officially started the budget process for 2026, but has some preliminary expectations for key financial indicators next year. The main driver of expected total expenditure growth in 2026 will be infrastructure construction, particularly a significant increase in depreciation expenses due to the addition of new assets and services, as well as more capital expenditure on shorter-term assets. Additionally, with the recruitment of AI talent, employee salaries will also be another major factor contributing to expenditure growth. In terms of capital expenditure, the company plans to significantly increase AI capacity, especially in training capabilities, servers, networks, and data centers, while continuing to invest in core AI areas.

The dialogue focused on the challenges and goals in the development of super intelligent technology, particularly emphasizing the importance of self-improvement research, and optimizing the configuration of cutting-edge research in small and highly specialized teams. In addition, strategies and factors to improve user engagement through enhancing the core platform in the next 18 months were also discussed.

Meta company is focusing on multiple short-term goals in the future planning of its core recommendation engine, including enhancing the real-time adaptability of recommended content, optimizing the matching efficiency of small creators' content, deepening user interest exploration, and improving the advancedness and efficiency of the models. Long-term goals involve developing cross-service recommendation models, integrating LLDs (Low-Level Descriptors) more deeply, and optimizing system efficiency to ensure that expanding the recommendation system will not affect investment returns. At the same time, Meta continues to support open-source artificial intelligence, although it remains reserved about sharing very large-scale models mainly due to practicality and security issues. In terms of infrastructure investment, the company plans to continue bearing most of the capital expenditure on its own, while also considering the possibility of collaborating with financial partners to invest in data centers, in order to address the growing capital needs and maintain flexibility.

Meta company is currently focused on building infrastructure for internal use cases, including AI work, recommendation engines, organic content, and advertising ranking, among others. External applications of the infrastructure have not been considered yet. In terms of return on capital expenditure, the company sees strong returns in the core AI field, while in generative AI, it is still in the early stages and not expected to be a significant revenue driver in the short term. However, the company remains optimistic about long-term commercial opportunities, especially in five key areas. Additionally, Meta is building infrastructure with flexibility in mind to adapt to future changes in demand.

In the discussion, Meta emphasized key performance indicators (KPIs) to focus on in the pursuit of the vision for artificial intelligence (AI) superintelligence, including the quality of teams and models, the speed of improvements to AI systems, and the contributions of foundational models to the overall AI capabilities of the company. The company believes that advancements in AI technology will first be translated into new products and services for billions of users, followed by gradual commercialization. Despite the lag between investment and returns, Meta firmly believes that directly utilizing AI to provide high-quality services to customers will lead to higher returns, rather than just renting out hardware facilities. Additionally, the company stated that while large-scale investments at the current stage may impact short-term profit growth, in the long run, these investments will open up new opportunities for the company and strengthen core business, ultimately leading to sustained profit growth.

The dialogue discussed Meta AI's continuous improvement and upgrading of models (such as from Lambda 4 to Lambda 4.1) to enhance the personalized user experience and overall engagement of the WhatsApp platform. With Behemoth's launch, future plans will focus on improving AI performance in functions such as search and queries, to promote wider user adoption and potentially explore commercialization paths.

Meta discussed the progress of its AI glasses project, especially the Ray-Ban and Oakley Meta glasses, highlighting the increasing application of AI technology in glasses and the importance of glasses as an ideal form of AI interaction. Additionally, the company discussed how to minimize the issue of shareholder dilution caused by stock-based compensation (SBC) resulting from increasing employees through stock buybacks and quarterly cash dividends.
要点回答
Q:What are the areas where AI is making significant improvements according to Meta's CEO Mark Zuckerberg?
A:AI is significantly improving Meta's ad system efficiency, leading to more engaging experiences for users, and increasing the quality of content recommended. It's also advancing business messaging with integrations into ads and e-commerce, enhancing the Meta AI reach with over a billion monthly active users, and bolstering AI integration into devices like the Ray-Ban and Oakley Meta Glasses.
Q:What are the expectations for Meta AI according to the CEO?
A:Meta's CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, is optimistic about the potential of personal superintelligence to empower people and lead to a new era of individual empowerment. He believes that AI will contribute to creative expression, cultural development, community building, and more fulfilling lives. Meta is working towards developing personal AI capabilities that will deepen the user experience across its platforms.
Q:How is Meta planning to build and deliver leading models to billions of people?
A:Meta is establishing the Meta Super Intelligences Labs to develop the next generation of AI models, with efforts towards creating a highly elite and talent-dense team. They are investing in advanced computing infrastructure such as multi-gigawatt clusters, including Prometheus and Hyperion, to support these AI developments. Additionally, Meta is focusing on creating leading personal AI, which will be integrated across various platforms and devices.
Q:How is AI contributing to Meta's advertising and user experience?
A:AI is improving the efficiency of Meta's ad system, resulting in a 5% increase in ad conversions on Instagram and a 3% increase on Facebook. It has also led to a 5% increase in time spent on Facebook and a 6% increase on Instagram. Furthermore, AI has improved the quality of content recommendations, contributing to these engagement gains.
Q:What are the segment results and revenue growth for Meta's family of apps?
A:For the second quarter, the family of apps segment reported total revenue of $47.1 billion, up 22% year over year. Q2 family of apps ad revenue was $46.6 billion, with a 21% increase or 22% on a constant currency basis. Ad revenue growth was strongest in Europe and the rest of the world, while North America and Asia Pacific grew by 21% and 18%, respectively. The total number of ad impressions served across services increased 11%, and the average price per ad increased 9%, reflecting robust advertiser demand and improved ad performance.
Q:What is the growth driver for the family of apps expenses and operating income?
A:The family of apps expenses and operating income growth is mainly due to improvements in employee compensation and infrastructure costs, partially offset by lower legal-related costs. The operating income was $25 billion with a 53% operating margin within the Reality Lab segment.
Q:How is video engagement changing on Instagram and Facebook?
A:Video engagement is growing on Instagram and Facebook, with time spent on video content increasing more than 20% year over year on both platforms. Ongoing improvements to ranking systems have enabled these gains by showing more relevant content.
Q:What is the goal for original content on Instagram?
A:The goal is to increase the freshness of original posts on Instagram so that the right audiences can discover content from creators soon after it is posted.
Q:What is being done to improve recommendation models and ad monetization efficiency?
A:Research efforts are focused on developing cross-surface foundation recommendation models and incorporating LLDS into thread recommendation systems. Meta AI is being used to power ad monetization and is available in over 200 countries and territories. Meta AI usage on Facebook is expanding as people use it to ask about posts and find content. The company is also working on automatically translating and dubbing foreign language content into the audience's local language for Meta AI.
Q:What is the impact of Meta AI on content discovery?
A:Meta AI is increasingly becoming a valuable complement to content discovery engines, helping people find content across the platform and assisting with the automatic translation and dubbing of foreign language content.
Q:What is being done to improve marketing performance and ad systems?
A:To improve marketing performance and ad systems, the company is focusing on ad retrieval and ranking innovations, ad system improvements, ad product developments, and evolving the ads platform to optimize results for each business's objectives.
Q:What specific improvements have been made to the ad system?
A:Specific improvements to the ad system include the introduction of the Andromeda model architecture, enhancements to the Generative Ads recommendations system (Gem), and the deployment of the Lattice model architecture, which has driven ad conversions across Facebook feed and Reels.
Q:How is the ad products showing strong momentum?
A:The ad products show strong momentum with the Advantage Plus suite of AI-powered solutions. The streamlined campaign creation flow for Advantage Plus sales and app campaigns is making it easier for advertisers to achieve performance benefits, and adoption of the Generative Ads creative tools is broadening among nearly 2 million advertisers.
Q:What is the company's approach to capital allocation?
A:The company's primary focus in capital allocation is investing back into the business, with a priority on infrastructure and talent. They are targeting hiring in high-priority areas and expect to continue investing significantly in AI capacity and infrastructure to support AI model development and product initiatives.
Q:What are the updated total expenses and CapEx expectations for 2025 and 2026?
A:For the full year 2025, total expenses are expected to be in the range of $114 to $118 billion, with a growth rate of 20% to 24% year over year. The 2025 capital expenditures, including principal payments on finance leases, are expected to be in the range of $66 to $72 billion, an increase from the prior outlook of $64 to $72 billion. For 2026, while the budgeting process remains dynamic, the company expects another year of significant CapEx dollar growth to support the needs of AI efforts and business operations.
Q:What factors are expected to drive growth in 2026 expenses and CapEx?
A:In 2026, the largest driver of expense growth will be infrastructure costs, with a sharp acceleration in depreciation expense growth and higher operating costs as the company scales up its infrastructure fleet. The second largest driver will be employee compensation, as the company adds technical talent in priority areas and recognizes a full year of compensation expenses for employees hired throughout 2025. For CapEx, the primary driver of increased spend in 2026 will be scaling AI capacity, with investments in training capacity across servers, networking, and data centers.
Q:How does the company plan to address the potential negative impact of regulatory developments, such as the European Commission's decision on personalized ads?
A:The company continues to engage with the European Commission on its less personalized ads offering (LPA) and has appealed the European Commission's decision on the matter. While modifications to the LPA model may be imposed during the appeal process, the company is preparing to ensure these do not result in a materially worse user and advertiser experience, which could negatively impact European revenue.
Q:What are the key learnings from the company's deep dive into its AI strategy and how is it informing talent acquisition and compute?
A:The company has gained key learnings about the rapid pace of AI progress, which has influenced its strategy for talent acquisition and compute. They have observed that adopting AI to improve their algorithm and increase quality and engagement is a significant and positive trajectory. These learnings indicate that AI is advancing faster than previously anticipated, which informs decisions about the importance of elite talent and compute resources.
Q:What factors should be considered when thinking about the future trajectory of the company's investments in AI?
A:When considering the future trajectory of the company's AI investments, it's important to note the rapid progress in AI, the importance of elite talent and leading compute capacity, and the company's ability to leverage technology across its platforms. The company's trajectory is optimistic, with a focus on how AI will fundamentally shape their systems and change assumptions around product development and operations.
Q:How is the company anticipating the 2026 budgeting process and what are the key components of expense growth for that year?
A:The company has not yet started the budgeting process for 2026 but has visibility on certain aspects such as the expected shape of 2026 infrastructure plans and compensation expenses from new hires. They anticipate that infrastructure will be the largest contributor to expense growth in 2026, with a sharp increase in depreciation expenses and greater investment in shorter-lived assets. Other factors contributing to expense growth include higher operating expenses and increased spending on cloud services and network-related costs.
Q:What is the significance of self-improvement in the context of developing super intelligences?
A:Self-improvement is a critical area of research for developing super intelligences because the goal is to create something fundamentally smarter than people, which necessitates the ability for the intelligence to develop and improve itself.
Q:Why are small, talent-dense teams considered optimal for leading research on superintelligence?
A:Small, talent-dense teams are considered optimal for leading research on superintelligence because they can hold the entirety of the project in their heads, which is essential for the most advanced research in this field, as opposed to larger teams which may not need to have an overarching understanding of the whole system.
Q:What are the near-term focuses for the core recommendation engine?
A:The near-term focuses for the core recommendation engine include making recommendations more adaptive to a person's engagement during their session, optimizing to help the best content from smaller creators break out, improving the discovery of diversified and niche interests, and scaling up models with advanced techniques to enhance recommendation quality.
Q:Has the company's thinking on open source AI changed in pursuit of superintelligence?
A:The company's thinking on open source AI has not changed; they continue to believe in producing and sharing leading open source models. However, there is consideration regarding the practicality and potential benefits of sharing extremely large models and the safety concerns associated with superintelligence research.
Q:What are the strategies for financing the growing CapEx?
A:The company plans to finance a large share of the growing CapEx themselves and is exploring ways to work with financial partners for data centers. They are looking for models that will attract significant external financing while providing flexibility for their changing infrastructure requirements.
Q:How is the company thinking about the return on investment for the substantial infrastructure spend?
A:The company is focused on ensuring they have enough capacity for internal use cases related to core AI work, recommendations, and ad ranking. While not currently focusing on external use cases, they are optimistic about the medium to long-term monetization opportunities related to the five pillars mentioned, which align with their current business direction.
Q:What are the key performance indicators for tracking progress toward the superintelligence vision?
A:Key performance indicators for tracking progress toward the superintelligence vision include the quality of the people on the teams, the quality of the models produced, the rate of improvement of other AI systems across the company, and the contribution of leading foundation models to the company's overall systems and projects.
Q:What is the company's strategy for scaling and monetizing their technology-driven products?
A:The company's strategy for scaling and monetizing technology-driven products involves initially focusing on reaching a large audience, scaling to billions of people, and then over time monetizing. This strategy includes a focus on leading scale, building the highest quality product for a few years, and then ramping up the business around it.
Q:How does the company plan to use GPUs to enhance its services for customers?
A:The company plans to utilize all of its GPUs to ensure they serve their customers well with superintelligence. They believe there will be a higher return on generating services directly for customers rather than renting or leasing out the infrastructure to other companies.
Q:What is the company's focus regarding profitability and investment opportunities?
A:The company's primary focus from a profitability perspective is driving consolidated operating profit growth over time. Although it may not be linear, they expect to deliver above-average profit growth, especially in years where they're making big investments. The company sees many attractive investment opportunities that could lead to compelling profit growth in the coming years, and they are pursuing these investments while constraining investments elsewhere.
Q:What is the significance of the advancements in Meta AI for engagement and personalization on platforms like WhatsApp?
A:The advancements in Meta AI are significant for engagement and personalization on platforms like WhatsApp because they improve models behind Meta AI and engagement increases as a result. Each new model update, such as from Lambda 4 to Lambda 4.1, is expected to perform better across a variety of tasks, which in turn improves engagement. Ongoing training and the release of new generations or big dot releases of each generation are also expected to improve engagement.
Q:What is the projected development timeline for glasses and their relationship with AI, as well as the potential for smartphones?
A:The company is excited about the progress in developing glasses, which include products like Ray-Ban Meadows and the upcoming Oakley Meta. They see glasses as an ideal form factor for AI and believe that they could potentially replace smartphones. The integration of Meta AI continues to grow and benefits from increased usage. The company foresees a future where people may consider not having glasses with AI or some way to interact with AI as a significant cognitive disadvantage.
Q:What are the plans for managing stock-based compensation costs and minimizing shareholder dilution?
A:The company has considered the increased compensation costs, including stock-based compensation (SBC) of AI hires in the revised 2025 expense outlook and the 2026 expense growth. They have factored this into their expense outlook and are focused on keeping an eye on dilution. The company plans to manage this by continuing to repurchase shares as part of the buyback program, which offsets equity and compensation, and by providing quarterly cash dividend distributions to investors. They believe their strong financial position will support these investments while maintaining a focus on shareholder dilution.

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