LightPath Technologies(LPTH.US)2025财年第三季度业绩电话会
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Lightpath Technologies has transitioned to a vertically integrated solution provider, focusing on infrared imaging technologies for defense and commercial applications. The company has experienced a 19% revenue increase and a 66% rise in gross profit, attributed to strategic acquisitions and a favorable product mix. Key projects include involvement in defense contracts and the development of proprietary Black Diamond materials, anticipating significant revenue growth and EBITDA break-even in the upcoming quarters despite operational challenges.
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A conference call was held to discuss Lightpath Technologies' third quarter earnings for 2025, with the CEO and CFO presenting financial results and addressing risks and uncertainties.

Light Technology discusses its transformation from a pure component supplier to a global solution provider for infrared imaging technologies, highlighting recent acquisitions, product launches, and progress on key defense contracts.

The company experiences significant growth in demand for its Black Diamond materials, particularly BDN L, leading to an expansion in manufacturing capacity financially supported by the Department of Defense. This growth comes amidst strategic shifts to mitigate risks associated with geopolitical events and economic uncertainties, including diversifying manufacturing locations and reducing dependence on China.

The dialogue discusses the impact of supply chain pressures and tariffs on customer preferences for manufacturing locations, alongside the strategic shift towards alternative materials like Black Diamond due to germanium supply restrictions. It highlights the benefits and potential challenges of redesigning optical systems, emphasizing the improved performance and resilience offered by these alternatives, and the ongoing efforts to secure long-term supply chain stability amidst geopolitical uncertainties.

The CFO discusses a 19% revenue increase, improved gross profit margins, and higher operating expenses due to business development and acquisitions. The integration following a recent acquisition is progressing well, with positive cultural alignment and expertise leveraging.

Following the acquisition of G5, Lightpath anticipates significant revenue growth, particularly in the defense sector, with a focus on maximizing revenues and earnings through high-margin products. The integration of G5 is expected to supercharge Lightpath's potential, accelerating its transformation into a next-generation optics and imaging solution provider, marking a pivotal point in achieving long-term growth, profitability, and market leadership goals.

The company faced delays in a challenging project due to capacity issues and complex product requirements, involving BDN L AI material. Despite setbacks, government support for another project indicates significant potential future revenue.

The company anticipates an increase in gross margin for the next quarter due to a full quarter of G5 assemblies, modules, and cameras, contributing to higher margins.

The backlog number as of March is confirmed to be 27.4 million. A clarification is provided regarding the slight adjustment in expected revenue from 55 million to 51 million, attributed to differences in the time frames discussed. The strong performance of the G5 business is noted, with the delta more related to the legacy business.

The discussion focuses on the financial projections for the remainder of the year, considering the ongoing effects of amortization on Opex and the exclusion of recent M&A expenses, aiming for a clearer view of the combined companies' performance.

Despite expecting a close call, the company anticipates reaching break-even EBITDA in the June quarter, with significant camera revenue and fulfillment of back orders contributing to Q4 revenue.

A critical decision regarding the innovative missile program, distinct from Raytheon's proposal, may occur earlier than the formal October 26 deadline due to promising technology, potentially influenced by customer testing starting summer or early fall 2025.

The company's progress in the furnace inspection market with their Mantis camera system is exceeding expectations, as customers are opting for their complete system over custom-built optics. However, progress in the optical gas imaging market is slower due to awaiting formal qualification tests mandated by the EPA, which have been delayed by unforeseen circumstances such as severe weather.

Discussion highlights concerns over production capacity for G5, addressing assembly constraints, component supplies, and potential solutions involving additional shifts and leveraging Lightpath's optics capabilities. The conversation also explores the integration of sales efforts, focusing on co-marketing and co-pitching strategies.

Due to unforeseen family circumstances, the company experiences a sudden resignation from a key sales figure. Despite this, the team emphasizes their strong sales force and the CEO's involvement in opening new opportunities with potential customers.

The speaker discusses significant non-amortization expenses, including legal and audit fees, expected to amount to one to two million dollars per quarter due to ongoing filings and consultations.

The speaker discusses the resolution of previous yield issues and supply chain challenges, particularly concerning components from China. They confirm that these problems are mostly resolved, with supply of non-germanium optics back on track and expected to clear the backlog by late May or early June. Additionally, clarification is sought on the status of two contracts: one for border security involving G5 and another for a Navy vessel, with inquiries about whether they have been awarded or are still in competition.

The company secured a sole-source contract for a multi-million dollar annual program, while facing uncertain annual allocations in an IDIQ contract with Border Patrol due to competition among vendors.

As of February 18, 2025, G5's revenue contribution stands at $19 million, on track to meet the $21 million first earn-out target and contributing to the projected $51 million total annual revenue.

Despite only having five weeks of data, there are no red flags observed, and the team is confident in achieving ambitious goals, as all planned developments are falling into place.
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Q:What were the highlights of Lightpath's third quarter fiscal 2025?
A:The highlights of Lightpath's third quarter fiscal 2025 included the close of their acquisition of G5 Infrared, incremental product launches, progress on key defense contracts, and ongoing growth driven by geopolitical tensions.
Q:What are the major components of Lightpath's current business portfolio?
A:Lightpath's current business portfolio includes optical assemblies, cooled and uncooled cameras, and other subsystems. These new categories of products have become roughly equal to half of the company's revenue, with the other half coming from optical components. The company expects this ratio to continue to grow.
Q:What are some of the large projects that Lightpath is involved in?
A:Lightpath is involved in several large projects including the Ng Sri (Next Generation Short Range Interceptor) program with Lockheed Martin, the Spear (Shipboard Panoramic Electro-Optic Infrared System) program for L3 Harris, various large projects in border security and county UAS with G5 group, and multiple large programs related to their proprietary Black Diamond glass for which they have an exclusive license from NL.
Q:What are the unique properties of black diamond materials and how do they benefit system design?
A:Black diamond materials, a family of infrared glasses made in the USA, provide two primary advantages. Firstly, they are an alternative to the use of germanium and gallium, two materials heavily dependent on Chinese supply. Secondly, they offer significant technical advantages in system design, often enabling size and weight reduction in systems while improving overall performance.
Q:What programs are utilizing black diamond materials, and how is the demand for these materials affecting production capacity?
A:Black diamond materials, particularly the BDN L materials, are being utilized in several programs of record. The strong demand for these materials has necessitated an expansion in manufacturing capacity. In anticipation of this demand and the new programs translating into shipments, the company has seen an increase in demand for BDN L 4 and BDN L 8 materials, requiring the addition of manufacturing capacity. The DoD Department of Defense has provided monetary support to increase capacity and processing capability in line with these demands.
Q:What recent bookings indicate about future sales and growth opportunities?
A:In the last 60 days since the closing of the GFC deal, the company has booked over $600 million of new orders, which is a very strong indicator of future sales and growth. These numbers are not fully reflected in the backlog as of the last ounce days from before today. However, the significant bookings over such a short period suggest robust growth expectations for the near future.
Q:How have geopolitical events impacted the company's manufacturing footprint and supply chain?
A:Following the closure of the GFC acquisition, the company's manufacturing footprint has changed, with a shift in headcount and footprint from China to the US. As a result, the company is less exposed to risks associated with tariffs and economic downturns in China and international trade. Despite this, the company is not completely immune to such events. When tariffs arise, the company can minimize the direct impact by quickly adjusting internal supply chains, thanks to the diversification of manufacturing locations.
Q:What measures has the company taken to reduce its dependency on a single location for manufacturing?
A:The company has diversified its manufacturing capabilities by having them performed in at least two locations in parallel, a strategy started during Covid and continued post-Covid. This allows for the shift of manufacturing between locations and countries as needed, reducing dependency on a single location.
Q:How might changes in tariffs or the availability of germanium affect the company's business?
A:Changes in tariffs, such as the reduction of a 25% tax to 5%, could potentially affect the company's business by influencing customer willingness to pay a premium for US or Europe-manufactured products. The more challenging scenario would be when tariffs are fully removed. The team is focused on optimizing internal supply chains, building alternatives, and determining the extent to which customers are willing to pay for supply chain resilience. Additionally, if germanium becomes freely available again after recent supply restrictions, the company may face challenges as it would have to compete with the lower costs of germanium. However, the materials' technical advantages have so far helped maintain customer interest in their products, and most lenses in redesigned systems can be made with black diamond materials, improving system performance.
Q:What evidence indicates that China is tightening export restrictions on germanium?
A:The signs that China is tightening export restrictions include the cracking down on smuggling, surprise audits by customs to ensure proper accounting of germanium purchases and制造, and long-term strategies to plan and monopolize the processing of raw materials and acquire available material in the marketplace.
Q:What is the company's strategy to handle the potential future of germanium availability?
A:The company is expediting redesigns with customers so that if germanium becomes available again, they will already be designed in and remain in the system.
Q:What were the financial highlights of the third quarter as mentioned in the transcript?
A:Revenue for the third quarter of fiscal 25 increased 19.4% to $9.2 million from $7.700 million in the same year ago quarter. Gross profit increased 66% to $2.7 million or 29.1% of total revenues from $1.6 million or 20.9% of total revenues in the same year ago quarter. Operating expenses increased 24% as compared to the prior fiscal year. Net loss in the third quarter of fiscal 2025 was $3.6 million or $0.09 per basic and diluted share, compared to $2.6 million or $0.07 per basic and diluted share in the same quarter of the prior fiscal year. EBITDA loss was $4 million compared to a loss of $1.5 million in the prior fiscal year.
Q:How is the post-merger integration with G5 going and what are the key positive findings?
A:The post-merger integration with G5 is going well and is on schedule with positive cultural alignment and efficient integration where it makes sense. The organizations are aligned on goals and moving quickly towards expertise leveraging.
Q:What financial impact is expected from G5's acquisition and when will it become visible?
A:The expectation is for the combined companies to generate $30 million in revenue in the next three months since G5's acquisition in February. Most new orders are scheduled to ship from June through December, making the financial impact visible in Q4 and predominant in Q3 and Q4.
Q:What will be the focus following the acquisition of G5?
A:Following the acquisition of G5, the focus is on how to maximize revenues and earnings, with a reliance on EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA for analysis due to the complex accounting treatment related to financing and valuation of G5.
Q:How is the integration of G5 expected to affect lightpath's short and long-term goals?
A:The acquisition of G5 is viewed as a robust tool to supercharge lightpath's near-term potential, particularly in the defense space with high margin products. It should contribute to achieving long-term goals of sustained growth, profitability, and market leadership.
Q:What is the company's strategy moving forward in light of recent developments?
A:The company remains focused on executing its strategy to transform lightpath into a next-generation optics and imaging solution provider, expanding its portfolio with new growth opportunities, and positioning to deliver meaningful progress across automotive, defense, and industrial markets.
Q:Can you discuss the delays with the Apache product and the reason behind it?
A:The delays in the Apache product were due to the team not meeting the timeline committed, which is a combination of undertaking a challenging project with premium pricing and the heavy dependence on a new material, BDN L AI.
Q:What caused the delay in the project and what product is it related to?
A:The delay was due to unexpected capacity issues while making glass for the project, which led to rescheduling and restarting processes for the lens-making and assembly.
Q:How does the new project compare to others in terms of scale and potential revenue?
A:The new project is considered to be in the company's 'big league,' meaning it has the potential to generate millions of dollars annually once in production.
Q:What is the expected impact on gross margin from the current quarter to the next?
A:The expected impact on gross margin is an improvement from the current quarter to the next due to a full quarter of assemblies, modules, and cameras contributing to revenue.
Q:What was the backlog amount at the end of March?
A:The backlog number ending March was 27.4 million.
Q:What explains the downshift in expected revenue from $55 million to $51 million since the acquisition was announced?
A:The downshift in expected revenue is not really driven by the strong performance of the G5 business but more by the legacy business.
Q:Is the company still confident in achieving positive EBITDA in the June quarter?
A:The company is close to achieving positive EBITDA in the June quarter, but there's a slight miss due to less camera revenue than expected in June.
Q:What is the current status of bookings and how does it compare to the last earnings call?
A:Bookings from February 18 to the present are around 13 million, which is compared to the 13 million bookings mentioned in the last earnings call.
Q:Is the decision regarding the missile program with Lockheed Martin expected this year?
A:A potential decision regarding the missile program with Lockheed Martin is expected late this year or early next year, following the customer's testing phase this summer or early fall.
Q:What is the likelihood of an earlier decision on the missile program?
A:There is a good chance of an earlier decision on the missile program if the technology performs as promised, potentially influenced by customer feedback during the summer or early fall delivery phase.
Q:What positive results have been observed with the new furnace inspection cameras?
A:The positive results include customers who previously only purchased the camera and built their own optics seeing that the company's complete system performs better than their own developed system. Sales of the complete system are starting to increase.
Q:Why is the progress in optical gas imaging less encouraging?
A:The progress in optical gas imaging is less encouraging because it requires formal qualification testing by the EPA, which has standardized the process and now mandates the technology. This has led to long等待 times for testing, with a backlog of about six months to a year, delaying the project timeline.
Q:What are the company's current capacity constraints and potential production adjustments?
A:The company's capacity constraints are mainly related to the supply of certain components like detectors, which come from a single vendor, and optical components. While there is considerable capacity in assembly and a trained workforce, supply chain issues for detectors and variable lead times for optical components are concerns. The Orlando operation could potentially assist with the optics.
Q:What is the impact of the recent resignation of the sales team member on G5 integration efforts?
A:The resignation of sales team member Jason Messerschmidt due to personal family reasons is an unexpected development, but the company still has a strong sales team in place that is working closely with G5. Integration efforts are ongoing, and despite the loss, the team continues to engage with potential customers and open doors for G5.
Q:How should investors set expectations for non-amortization expenses in the current and upcoming quarters?
A:Investors should expect substantial non-amortization expenses in the current and upcoming quarters, which will include ongoing legal fees, audit fees, and valuation and consulting fees related to filings and audits. The exact amount is not specified but is substantial, estimated to be around $300,000.
Q:Are the company facing yield issues or supply chain challenges post-April, and how are they addressing these?
A:The company is not facing current yield issues or supply chain challenges. They have addressed past yield issues and resolved any supply chain disruptions. The problems experienced in China with customs and optical material exports have largely been resolved, and the company is reworking orders to suppliers outside of China where feasible.
Q:What is the expected timeline for resolving the supply issues backlogs?
A:The backlogs of items with supply issues are expected to be resolved within the current quarter, with most materials received by the end of May or beginning of June.
Q:What is the current status of the border security contract opportunity for G5?
A:The border security contract opportunity for G5 is a sole source program that has been awarded and is moving towards initial production, which is expected to be a multi-million dollar annual deal.
Q:What does the IDIQ contract with Border Patrol entail and what are the expectations for G5?
A:The IDIQ (indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity) contract with Border Patrol has Elbit as the sole provider for L-bit America, with G5 being the sole provider for Elbit. While there is uncertainty due to annual decision-making by Border Patrol on which vendor gets what part of the contract, G5 is expected to receive a substantial portion of the purchases. G5 has received an order of a few million dollars in January and anticipates deliveries starting in the next few months, which could potentially be a large program for G5 if it performs well.
Q:How far along is G5 in meeting their revenue targets for next year based on the current backlog?
A:G5 has shipped roughly between $18 to $21 million worth of products since Q4 or through February 18, which is slightly below their projected revenue target for the trailing 12 months of $21 million but still on course to meet their expectations with potential upside opportunities.
Q:What is the impact of margins on achieving the contingent payment for G5?
A:G5 has to achieve a 20% margin total to reach their contingent payment. With five weeks of data, there are no red flags, and it is considered ambitious but doable.