Rivian Automotive(RIVN.US)2025年第一季度业绩电话会
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Rivian discusses the impact of tariffs on their cost structure, strategic sourcing decisions, and self-sourcing strategy, alongside advancements in autonomy and AI, rare earth supply mitigation, and operational efficiency improvements. The company reports a second consecutive quarter of positive gross profit, progress on the R2 vehicle, and a $1 billion investment from Volkswagen Group, while revising delivery outlook and capital expenditure guidance.
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Rivian reports a second consecutive quarter of positive gross profit, achieving $206 million, driven by cost and operational efficiency. The company expects $1 billion in funding from the Volkswagen Group by the end of June. Rivian's R1S leads as the best-selling electric SUV in the U.S. with a starting price over $50,000 and tops the California market for SUVs priced over $70,000. The brand's success is attributed to customer love for its vehicles and the seamless integration of technology.

The company highlights advancements in its Rivian autonomy platform, featuring an AI-centric approach and data flywheel for enhanced model training. With the launch of its second-generation vehicles, the company introduces hands-free, eyes-on driving for highways, marking the beginning of ongoing autonomy enhancements. Additionally, the company discusses significant progress on its R2 validation builds and manufacturing expansions, aiming for a price point starting at $45,000. It also addresses the global trade regulation impact on material costs and availability, emphasizing its commitment to expanding domestic manufacturing capacity and technology leadership.

In the first quarter of 2025, Rivian achieved $206 million in gross profit, leading to a second consecutive quarter of positive gross profit and triggering a $1 billion investment from Volkswagen Group. This milestone is attributed to cost efficiency improvements and is expected to accelerate profitability with the launch of R2. Rivian also reported $922 million in automotive segment revenue and $318 million in software and services revenue, with an adjusted EBITDA loss of $329 million. The company holds $7.2 billion in cash and anticipates additional capital from various sources, including a $6.6 billion loan for its Georgia facility and $1.3 billion under an amended ABL facility. External factors and supply chain impacts are being monitored, with plans to mitigate risks through strategic sourcing and engagement with policymakers.

The company discusses the influence of evolving trade regulations, policies, and tariffs on consumer sentiment, demand, and vehicle production outlook. They revise their delivery outlook, maintain adjusted EBITDA outlook, and expect modest positive gross profit for the full year of 2025. The company also raises capital expenditure guidance due to tariff impacts and discusses strategies to mitigate costs, including strategic sourcing decisions and exploring opportunities for deploying incentive spend or driving improved mix. Specific attention is given to the sourcing strategy for batteries, particularly LFP cells, and the impact of tariffs on the cost structure for the R2 model.

An executive expresses the intense pressure to compete with Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) advancements, questioning how to match technological progress with a smaller fleet and fewer resources. The speaker highlights the significant focus on autonomy and expresses excitement about this business area, while also considering the possibility of needing an external partner to accelerate development.

The focus is on significantly improving autonomous driving capabilities through the deployment of advanced sensor technology in Gen two vehicles, coupled with a robust data flywheel strategy. This involves utilizing high-performance cameras, multiple radars, and a multi-modality approach to sensors to ensure high-quality data collection. The growing fleet size, coupled with the ability to efficiently move data from vehicles to the cloud via LTE and WiFi, enables continuous model training and performance enhancement. The unique data infrastructure allows for an AI-centric, end-to-end model training approach, unobstructed by third-party systems, leading to significant advancements in autonomous driving performance.

The speaker discusses the complexity of sourcing rare earth materials, crucial for electric vehicle powertrains, amidst global trade dynamics. Strategies include developing heavy rare earth-free motors and rotor assemblies that don't require such materials, accelerated by current trade challenges.

The discussion highlights a $2000 per vehicle impact due to tariffs in 2025, considering the benefits from recent manufacturing reimbursement programs. Additional focus is on reducing material costs for the R1 and transitioning to R2 models, with notable improvements in cost per unit attributed to operational efficiency and fixed cost leverage.

The company's depreciation and amortization in COGS has decreased significantly quarter over quarter due to absorbing more depreciation into inventory as more vehicles were produced than delivered.

The discussion focuses on how overproduction can mitigate the impact of tariffs on vehicle costs, with an expectation of a less than $100 million total impact for the year. Additionally, the conversation touches on the broader policy impacts, including tariffs, consumer benefits from electric vehicle adoption, and regulatory credits, affecting the company's guidance for 2025. The strategy of producing more vehicles than delivered in the first quarter is highlighted as a means to offset potential production losses later in the year due to manufacturing facility shutdowns for new model integration.

Despite strong interest in its flagship R1 model, Rivian is facing challenges due to heightened consumer price sensitivity and market uncertainty, leading to adjustments in its full year delivery outlook. The company highlights the potential of its lower-priced R2 model to tap into a larger market segment. Regulatory credit revenue for 2025 is expected to remain around $300 million.

The company discusses its focus on lean manufacturing principles, including reducing raw materials inventory by $220 million and increasing finished goods inventory by $563 million. Efforts include accelerating manufacturing implementation, improving processes, empowering frontline workers, and significantly reducing incoming material days on hand to optimize cash flow and working capital.

The autonomy platform is confirmed to be separate from the joint venture with Volkswagen, excluding in-house compute platform, perception stack, and self-driving software developments.

The discussion highlights the company's strategy to maintain a $45,000 starting price for their product, despite potential impacts from existing tariff regimes. Further, it delves into the evolving landscape of vehicle autonomy, emphasizing the importance of advanced AI technologies for enhancing customer experience. The conversation also explores the economic implications of autonomy, including the potential for monetization through features like subscription models, and the differing approaches to autonomy in markets such as the United States and China.

The discussion highlights the critical role of increasing electric vehicle (EV) choices at affordable price points, particularly under $50,000, to boost EV adoption. The speaker emphasizes the importance of diverse vehicle designs, form factors, and the need for more compelling EV options to match the variety available in internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. They discuss the introduction of faster charging batteries and the development of extensive charging networks, noting partnerships with Tesla for access to their charging network and the development of their own network with high uptime. Additionally, the integration of autonomous features is seen as a key driver for attracting more consumers to electric vehicles, particularly by 2027 and 2028.

The successful partnership with Volkswagen Group has unlocked an additional billion dollars in financing, enabling the deployment of advanced electric vehicle technology across various brands, driving adoption and customer choice. While open to collaborations with other OEMs, the focus currently lies on executing multiple programs within the Volkswagen Group.

The speaker discusses Rivian's differentiation from Tesla, noting their flagship product's higher price point and distinct market positioning. They also address Slate Auto, emphasizing that it targets a different consumer segment and highlights the importance of diverse product offerings in the market.

The company has revised its delivery guidance, factoring in changes in consumer behavior, demand backdrop uncertainty, and supply chain risks including tariff impacts and supplier health. The guidance also anticipates growth from partnerships and the introduction of a new product designed to improve fixed costs and volume production.

The R2 program is well underway with pilot-scale validation builds in progress to ensure engineering, design, and supplier process robustness. The team highlights significant advancements and learning incorporated from previous programs. Capital equipment for the R2 plant is fully sourced, and the building for body shop and assembly is completed, with processes now being implemented inside. A planned downtime in the second half of the year will integrate the R2 into the existing paint shop, marking a major step forward in the program's progress.

The company is asked about the status of launching 'Eyes Off' in controlled conditions next year and whether the R2 platform will have a standard autonomy hardware system or varied iterations based on trend levels.

The company has implemented a 'hands off, eyes on' feature for highway use, with plans to advance to 'hands off, eyes off' (true level 3 autonomy) starting on highways next year. The R2 model will feature a significantly improved perception stack with 65-megapixel cameras, offering superior performance in various lighting conditions compared to any vehicle in North America. Combined with radar sets, this enhanced camera system accelerates training for the autonomy platform, crucial for the customer experience and future product capabilities.

The company reports its second quarter of positive gross margin, reaching $206 million, and highlights efforts to enhance cost efficiency and profitability. It emphasizes the significant progress in developing its autonomy platform, with plans for an AI day in the fall to showcase advancements in hardware and software capabilities.
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Q:What vehicle was R1S in Q1 2023 and how does it rank in the US electric SUV market?
A:R1S was the best-selling SUV with a starting price over $70,000 in California and the number one best-selling electric SUV in the United States with a starting price over $50,000 in Q1 2023.
Q:What is the significance of the Rivian autonomy platform and what recent enhancement has been made?
A:The Rivian autonomy platform is significant as it features a vertically integrated technology with hardware designed for AI-centric approaches. A recent enhancement includes the launch of Hands Free Eyes on driving for highway driving in Q1 2023, with plans for broader autonomy in urban settings.
Q:What is planned for the AI and autonomy day mentioned by Rivian?
A:Rivian plans to host an AI and autonomy day in the fall to share more about its product and technology roadmap, including several advancements not yet shown or discussed.
Q:What is the status of Rivian's expansion plans and supplier park?
A:Rivian is making significant progress in R2, including validation builds and a 1.1 million square foot expansion to its Normal, Illinois manufacturing facility. A 1.2 million square foot supplier park in Normal is nearing completion, aimed at reducing costs for Normal production.
Q:What is the role of Rivian's long-term investments in technology such as autonomy and software?
A:Rivian's long-term investments in technology such as autonomy, software, electrical hardware, and propulsion provide substantial cost and performance advantages, forming a structural cost advantage crucial for delivering R2 at a lower price point.
Q:What are the expectations for profitability and fixed costs for Rivian's R2 vehicle?
A:Rivian expects a faster path to profitability for the R2 vehicle compared to the R1, with lower total fixed costs per unit expected as volumes increase for R2 and the normal facility.
Q:What is the significance of the $1 billion investment from Volkswagen Group?
A:The $1 billion investment from Volkswagen Group is related to the gross profit milestone achieved in the first quarter of 2023. It is expected to be funded on June 30 and will be invested in Rivian common shares at a 33% premium to the stock price.
Q:How will tariffs impact the company's capital expenditure and production plans?
A:Due to expected impacts from tariffs, the company has raised its capital expenditure guidance to between $1.8 billion to $1.9 billion. It remains on track with the expected shutdown of both consumer and commercial manufacturing lines in its normal plant for approximately one month in the second half of 2025 to prepare for the launch of R2 in the first half of 2026. R2 will operate on a single shift of production for the majority of operations in 2026.
Q:What is the strategy for managing battery cells and tariffs, especially around LFP cells?
A:The company has been working closely with its partner, LG, to source and eventually produce 46 95 cells used in R2 in the United States starting in 2027. This is to support the long-term cost structure for R2. As for LFP cells, the company is actively working to address changes in trade and has the flexibility to evolve its sourcing strategy for R1 as it looks at 2026 and beyond.
Q:What is the estimated direct impact from tariffs for 2025 and how are cost increases being mitigated?
A:The company expects the per unit direct impact from tariffs to be a couple thousand dollars for 2025 based on currently announced tariffs. It is exploring various offsets to these cost increases, including strategic sourcing decisions related to batteries and other components. The strategic sourcing decisions also have the potential to explore opportunities for using incentive spend and improving mix to further offset the impact from tariffs.
Q:How is the company preparing its supply chain to manage tariffs and ensure resilience?
A:The company has been working to get a more resilient supply chain by sourcing from the US and the USMCA qualified region, with some flows coming from overseas. Global suppliers with facilities in Europe, Asia, and North America are used. There is still time to relocate or study some of these flows in the coming months before the launch of their 2.
Q:What is the company's strategy for developing autonomy and catching up with Tesla?
A:The company is focusing heavily on the technology and infrastructure for autonomy, such as a strong sensor set with its Gen two vehicles, significant onboard inference capabilities, and the quality of data being fed into the data flywheel. This includes high-performance cameras and a multi-modality approach to sensors. The company is also growing its fleet and ramping up the data flywheel to improve performance. The strategy includes cost-effective data movement and leveraging a unique data infrastructure that allows for an end-to-end model with a pure AI-centric approach.
Q:How is the company addressing the risk of rare earth supply chain interruptions?
A:The company is working on a range of solutions to mitigate the risk of rare earth supply interruptions, including exploring different types of magnets that are more available and developing rotor assemblies that do not require rare earth metals. These efforts are part of the company's long-term planning for R2 and its commitment to developing heavy rare-free motors.
Q:Does the company's $2000 per vehicle tariff cost include the latest U.S. manufacturing reimbursement program?
A:Yes, the $2000 per vehicle tariff cost includes the benefits from the reimbursement programs that have been announced by the administration, as mentioned by the company.
Q:What are the remaining material cost opportunities for R1 and how they transition to R2?
A:The company is seeking to further improve material costs from R1 to R2. The improvement in cost per unit in Q1 versus Q4 was partly due to material cost reductions. Specific details on additional opportunities for R2 were not provided in the transcript.
Q:What factors contributed to the Cogs improvement in Q1?
A:The Cogs improvement in Q1 was attributed to operational efficiency enhancements and fixed cost leverage due to higher production volumes, despite a higher concentration of deliveries in Q1 relative to Q4. The commercial van's lower material costs also played a role.
Q:Why did depreciation and amortization in the Cogs line decrease quarter over quarter?
A:Depreciation and amortization in the Cogs line decreased due to the absorption of more depreciation expense into inventory in Q1. Despite this, the overall number still showed a decrease, but a significant portion of the Cogs-related depreciation, about $75 million, was due to this absorption into inventory.
Q:How should one expect depreciation to behave in the future?
A:Depreciation is expected to start picking up again once production of the new models commences and will return to a steady state run rate, excluding the impacts from absorption into inventory. It will ramp back up with the new models coming online.
Q:What is the anticipated impact of tariffs on the company's financials for the year?
A:The anticipated impact of tariffs on the company's financials for the year is expected to be under $100 million, based on overproduction and the effect on minimizing the impact from tariffs. This is in contrast to the several hundred million impact expected due to tariffs, consumer benefits from EV adoption, and regulatory credits which was previously baked into original guidance.
Q:Is the reduced full-year outlook for deliveries solely due to weaker incoming orders or is it also related to market expectations?
A:The reduced full-year outlook for deliveries is based on a challenging consumer demand backdrop and is not just due to weaker incoming orders. It also considers the expectation that the market will deteriorate going forward due to factors such as tariffs, effects on pricing, and the broader economy.
Q:What is the consumer interest in the flagship product and how does it compare to competitors?
A:The interest in the flagship product, R1, is strong, making it the best-selling premium electric truck and SUV in the United States over $70,000 and the best-selling premium SUV in California, electric or non-electric. However, consumers are more price-sensitive than before, seeking lower-priced alternatives, which is why the R2 model with a starting price of $45,000 is seen as exciting.
Q:What is the company's view on regulatory credits revenue for 2025 following the strength in the first quarter?
A:The company still expects to be in the 300 million area for regulatory credit revenue for the year as a whole, maintaining the same expectations for the broader outlook for regulatory credits despite the strength seen in the first quarter.
Q:What actions have been taken to manage inventory and capital?
A:To manage inventory and free up capital, actions taken include reducing raw materials by about $220 million and focusing on lean manufacturing principles. The company is also working on initiatives such as accelerating manufacturing implementation, compacting processes, and improving workstations to reduce inventory and days on hand.
Q:Is the autonomy platform part of the technology shared with Volkswagen?
A:No, the autonomy platform is completely separate from the joint venture with Volkswagen. The joint venture covers the operating system and software platforms, including the zonal ECUs and the Zon issues themselves, but it does not include the in-house compute platform, compute stack, perception stack, or the software for the self-driving platform.
Q:Will the existing tariff regime impact the timing of the SOP and starting price of R2?
A:The company does not plan to change the $45,000 starting price for R2 and is focused on managing variables within the existing policy framework. The supply chain and supplier production locations are being closely monitored, and there is a strong intention to drive manufacturing to the United States.
Q:What is the potential value that these advanced features could bring to the business?
A:The value of these advanced features could be realized in various ways, such as through incremental paid features, vehicle pricing, or market share. The exact form it takes may depend on the competitive landscape.
Q:What challenges exist in the market for electric vehicle adoption?
A:There is a lack of great choices, particularly in the price point below $50,000, for electric vehicles (EVs) in the United States. To achieve large-scale adoption of electrification, there needs to be more selection in terms of brand, design, and form factor of vehicles.
Q:How is Rivian addressing the lack of vehicle choices in the market?
A:Rivian is addressing the lack of choices by introducing the R2, which will offer consumers an alternative and help pull more people out of internal combustion until electrification. The company believes it will provide a compelling choice, especially for those transitioning from IC engines.
Q:What is the strategy for charging infrastructure and autonomy in electric vehicles?
A:Rivian has a relationship with Tesla to allow customers to use their network and is also building out its own network with over 700 chargers and a high level of uptime. Building an open, revenue-generating network is part of the strategy. Additionally, growth in autonomous features is expected to help draw more customers into electric vehicles.
Q:What progress is being made with the Volkswagen joint venture?
A:Rivian and Volkswagen continue to progress their partnership with profitability in the second consecutive quarter and an additional billion dollars in financing secured. The companies are working closely together, and Rivian's technology and architecture are being deployed across a wide array of vehicles and brands, contributing to electric vehicle adoption and scale.
Q:How is the reduction in delivery guidance tied to current demand and supply risks?
A:The reduction in delivery guidance is tied to the level of uncertainty around consumer market sentiment and price sensitivity of Rivian's current product set. The guidance reflects the adjusted view of consumer behavior and expectations for the remainder of the year, as well as the commercial side, including partnerships and supplier considerations. The company is closely monitoring the impact of the tariff environment on suppliers and working to avoid any supply disruptions.
Q:What updates can be shared about the R2 capital equipment and plant build-out?
A:The building that will host the body shop and assembly for R2 is finished, and the processes inside are being implemented. All the equipment has been sourced, and the equipment maker is conducting testing and calibration. Downtime in the second half of the year is planned for integrating R2 into the existing paint shop flow, which requires heavy work and is expected to be executed as planned.
Q:What is the significance of the R2 pilot production in relation to supplier and plant readiness?
A:The R2 pilot production is a significant step forward, indicating a meaningful progression from where the R2 program was at compared to its sales start in the first half of next year. It signifies the level of robustness and rigor in terms of testing and supplier and plant bring-up, highlighting the extensive learning that has been incorporated into the program.
Q:What is the projected timeline for the launch of the Eyes off feature, and what does it entail?
A:The company has implemented a hands-off, eyes-on feature, which allows drivers to have their eyes off the road for highway applications and extend to urban roads. The focus is on delivering a true level 3 autonomy in specific environments, starting with highways next year.
Q:How does the R2 vehicle's perception stack differ from R1, and what are its advanced features?
A:R2 has an enhanced perception stack compared to R1, featuring a 65-megapixel camera setup that improves upon the already high-performing camera set of R1, which has the highest number of megapixels in any vehicle sold in North America. The cameras have an incredible dynamic range, performing well in both low and bright light conditions. This setup allows for high-quality data to accelerate system training.
Q:What is the company's strategy for the robustness of the autonomy platform in R2?
A:The company is focused on ensuring the R2 vehicle has a very robust autonomy platform, considering it a critical part of the customer experience. They do not envision any R2 product lacking this robust platform and are committed to maintaining high levels of capability in their feature sets.