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美光科技公司(MU.US)2025财年第一季度业绩电话会
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Micron Technology reported a 100 basis point decline in gross margins due to lower shipments and non-related mix pricing, without providing specific DRAM pricing guidance. The company highlighted significant growth in its enterprise and data center SSD market share, anticipating sequential reacceleration in fiscal Q3 and throughout 2025. Constraints on gross margins are expected into the fiscal third quarter due to unfavorable NAND market conditions and underload charges, with inventory improvements projected for springtime. Micron's capital expenditure is heavily focused on HBM-related investments.
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Micron Technology's Fiscal First Quarter 2025 Earnings Analyst Call
Micron Technology holds a post-earnings analyst call discussing market demand, supply, trends, and drivers, as well as expected results and guidance, with forward-looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties.
Micron's DRAM Pricing and Data Center SSD Market Share Growth
The dialogue discusses the impact of non-mix pricing and lower shipments on Micron's gross margins, with a focus on the company's DRAM pricing trends and the significant increase in its enterprise and data center SSD market share. Micron highlights its robust data center revenue trajectory, driven by growth in APM and data center SSD shipments, despite near-term market challenges. The company expects sequential reacceleration in data center SSD business in fiscal Q3 and throughout 2025, attributing this to strong AI demand and its industry-leading product portfolio.
Impact of Underload Charges and Market Conditions on Micron's Gross Margins and Inventory
The discussion highlights concerns over the impact of underload charges and challenging market conditions on gross margins, estimating a close to Ed basis points effect. Positive drivers, including growth in the data center sector, higher margin product mixes, and volume growth, are expected to support margin expansion beyond the third quarter. Additionally, the conversation touches on the company's position in the LPDDR 5x and data center opportunities, emphasizing their pioneering role in memory supply for data centers.
Micron's Leadership in Data Center Memory Innovations and Market Expansion
Micron is leading the market for LP in data centers worldwide, driving significant innovations for reliability, availability, and serviceability in DDR5. The company's partnerships and advancements in high-capacity DIMMs and HBM contribute to a multi-billion-dollar opportunity, reflecting over 50% of its revenue from the data center segment.
Delayed PC Refresh Cycle and Inventory Adjustments Impact Near-Term Outlook
The delay in the anticipated PC refresh cycle and higher-than-expected customer inventories have led to a cautious near-term outlook. Despite the delay, the refresh cycle is expected to occur, driven by the need to upgrade aging PCs and future-proof hardware specs. Calendar 2024 PC shipment forecasts have been adjusted to show flattish year-over-year growth due to inventory adjustments and seasonality. Data center SSD demand has also moderated temporarily, impacting the outlook. However, the data center segment's revenue trajectory remains solid through fiscal 2025. By springtime, inventories are expected to improve, allowing for resumed shipment growth in the second half of the fiscal year.
DRAM and NAND Market Update: Q2 Demand Decline and Projected Sequential Growth
The company clarifies that the majority of the revenue decline in Q2 is due to a meaningful decrease in NAND demand, with DRAM bits also expected to be down. Consumer-oriented segments are driving the DRAM decline, while data center segments remain strong. Improvement is anticipated post-Q2, with sequential increases in volume for both DRAM and NAND starting in Q3.
Impact of Increasing SPM Capacity on Conventional DRAM and CapEx Split for HBM and DRAM
The speaker discusses the trade ratio between HBM and conventional DRAM as yields mature, indicating that growing HBM share will affect conventional DRAM wafer starts. They aim to maintain DRAM bit share during the transition and expect overall DRAM bit growth to align with industry demand. On the CapEx side, the query is about the split between HBM and conventional DRAM investments.
Capital Expenditure Allocation for HBM and Other Strategic Investments
The largest portion of the fiscal year's CapEx is dedicated to HBM, encompassing front-end fabs, assembly, testing processes, and clean room capabilities. Additional focuses include facilities, construction, backend investments in India, and reduced spending on J NAND.
Micron's Strategic Adjustments in NAND and DRAM Production Amid Market Dynamics
The company discusses decisive actions to align supply growth with demand in the NAND market, avoiding speculation on competitors' strategies. On the DRAM side, despite a significant shift towards DDR5 and HBM products, a portion of production remains dedicated to DDR4 and LP4 for long-life cycle segments like industrial and automotive. The focus is on leading-edge products due to node constraints, with a strong commitment to increasing Hpm production and maintaining natural market share by the second half of calendar 25.
NAND Market Decline and Inventory Reduction Progress
The speaker confirms a significant sequential decline in the NAND market, possibly exceeding expectations. They also inquire about the impact of high inventory levels on revenue decline and seek quantification of inventory reduction progress, suggesting most of the reduction is anticipated in the second quarter.
Inventory Management and Market Recovery in Consumer and Data Center Businesses
The company experienced a sequential decline in consumer-facing business, leading to increased inventory levels. However, inventory is expected to decrease through the year due to data center SSD volume growth, a refresh cycle, and content-driven growth in consumer markets. Despite current inventory levels being above target, there's confidence in demand and inventory consumption improving by the spring.
DRAM and NAND Supply and Demand Expectations for Calendar Years 2024 and 2025
Industry bit supply and demand for DRAM are projected to grow in the mid-teens, with volumes down in the second quarter but expected to align with industry trends annually. For NAND, growth is forecasted in the low double digits. The company anticipates maintaining a relatively stable bit share in both DRAM and NAND across calendar years 2024 and 2025, aiming to ship in line with demand growth for both technologies.
Clarification on HBM Volume and Pricing Agreements
The speaker explains that agreements regarding HBM bits and cubes specify quarterly purchases and pricing, with customers able to cancel before firm purchase orders are placed due to lengthy lead times. Customers have consistently placed firm orders, boosting confidence in a strong ramp ahead.
Ramp Strategy and Capacity Expansion for High-Bandwidth Memory
The company discusses its robust ramp strategy for High-Bandwidth Memory (HBM) revenue, aiming to match its DRAM supply share in the calendar second half. Despite not disclosing exact HBM revenue figures, it outlines expectations for significant growth, driven by capacity expansion, process scalability, and transitioning production to new facilities. Constraints include space and TSV capacity, with capacity increases expected to align with the Taiwan facility's progress. The focus is on gradual capacity addition through new equipment installation and qualification throughout the fiscal and calendar years.
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Q:What are the anticipated trends for DRAM pricing in Q2?
A:The company does not provide guidance for actual pricing due to competitive reasons, but they have provided data points to assist in modeling. Sequential improvement in APM growth and data center revenue trajectory are mentioned as indicators, despite some near-term moderation in data center SSD growth.
Q:How does Micron view the impact of market environment and seasonality on their performance?
A:Micron acknowledges the challenges related to market environment and seasonality as near-term headwinds but remains optimistic about the robustness of data center revenue growth and the positive impact of mix improvements in their business.
Q:What is the expectation for sequential growth in data center SSD in Q3 and onwards?
A:The company expects a growth in data center SSD shipments to restart in Q1 and continue into future quarters. The trajectory should grow due to the expectation of strong overall data center CapEx from end customers and a solid portfolio of industry-leading products.
Q:What constraints are mentioned for gross margin in the upcoming fiscal third quarter?
A:Micron is not guiding for third quarter gross margins and is being mindful not to provide a number without high conviction. There are unfavorable items persisting into the third quarter, including challenging NAND market conditions extending into calendar Q1 and the impact of underload charges, which will affect period costs and higher cost inventory.
Q:What are the favorable effects mentioned that will support margin expansion after the third quarter?
A:Favorable effects continuing in the second and third quarters and beyond include the growth of the data center segment, benefits from higher margin products such as HBM, high capacity DIMMs, and LP DRAM, as well as volume growth and better market conditions in NAND and data center SSD.
Q:What are the expectations for inventory levels in DRAM and NAND moving forward?
A:It is expected that inventory levels in DRAM will be up in the near term due to volume declines in the second quarter, with Dio and dollars of inventory up in DRAM, and leading edge and overall DRAM inventories remaining tight. By the end of the year, overall DRAM inventories are expected to be below target levels. As for NAND, inventories are expected to improve from the second to the fourth quarter,受益于市场复苏。
Q:What is Micron's position in the LPDDR 5x market and with respect to the Blackwell product cycle?
A:Micron is considered the pioneering memory supplier of LPDDR 5x in the data center, driving innovations needed for data centers to deploy memory not purpose-built for the data center environment. Micron has made important innovations in this product category and is partnering with customers to realize a significant opportunity, which is a key part of Micron's overall strategy and data center business.
Q:What drivers are contributing to the decline in PC refresh cycle and what are the expectations for future performance?
A:The drivers for the decline in the PC refresh cycle include a push out of the PC refresh cycle that customers had been anticipating. Although the refresh cycle will still happen, it has been delayed. The average age of PCs is long and due for an upgrade, leading to an expectation that even with modest unit volume growth, the mix improvement from higher memory content in these PCs will be a positive driver in the future. The calendar 24 PC shipment forecast for the unit level at end customers has been reduced and is now very flattish year over year. This has impacted the near-term outlook.
Q:What factors have impacted the near-term outlook and what is the view on consumer-oriented segments and data center demand?
A:Factors impacting the near-term outlook include the delay in the PC refresh cycle, previously highlighted customer inventories, and the seasonality of the first quarter. Additionally, there has been moderation in data center SSD demand. Despite this, the trajectory of demand in the data center continues to be robust, with the data center segment view of overall revenue trajectory through fiscal 25 and calendar 25 remaining solid. Consumer-oriented segments are experiencing a temporary moderation, but inventories are expected to be healthier by springtime, with a resumption of shipment growth for the second half of the fiscal year.
Q:How are inventories expected to improve in the consumer-oriented segments and what is the supply situation for HBM and non-HBM NAND?
A:In the consumer-oriented segments, it is expected that by springtime, inventories will be much healthier, leading to a resumption of shipment growth. Right now, shipping is at a lower rate than customer consumption due to faster consumption of DRAM and lead times than purchases from the industry. In the data center segment, HBM continues to pressure non-HBM availability of supply, and actions are being taken to balance supply with demand. The majority of the revenue decline in the second quarter will be due to NAND.
Q:How much of the revenue decline in Q2 is attributed to DRAM versus NAND, and how is the demand growth for DRAM distributed throughout the year?
A:The revenue decline in Q2 is mainly attributed to NAND, with a significant portion of the revenue decline being driven by it. For DRAM, bits would be down in Q1, and the decline is largely driven by consumer-oriented segments, with the data center segment performing very strongly. Sequential increases in volume for both DRAM and NAND are expected to start in Q3, with a sequential decline in DRAM volume and a meaningful decline in NAND volume sequentially.
Q:What is the expected impact of HBM growth on conventional DRAM capacity?
A:As HBM capacity grows and its share in the total memory bit capacity increases, the company needs to produce more HBM wafers compared to conventional DRAM for the same number of bits. This shift towards HBM is expected to impact conventional DRAM capacity, with the exact impact being determined by the trade ratio between HBM and conventional DRAM.
Q:How is the CapEx split between HBM and other areas?
A:The CapEx for this fiscal year is largely allocated towards HBM, with the specific details of the split not provided. The company has mentioned that it also has a focus on facilities and construction, and some investments in back-end operations, including a facility in India.
Q:How does the reduction in NAND supply by other suppliers affect Micron's position?
A:It is difficult to predict the actions of other suppliers, but Micron is focusing on its own decisive actions and immediate responses to market changes. The company believes that their actions will positively affect their view of supply and demand growth.
Q:Does Micron's current shipment mix closely align with their internal production mix?
A:Micron has shifted a significant portion of production towards leading edge products, especially HBM and DDR5. The internal production mix reflects this shift, with a decrease in the percentage of revenue from older products like DDR4 and LP. Long-life cycle products continue to be supported for various industrial, automotive, and defense/aerospace segments.
Q:What was the percentage decline in NAND revenue for the second quarter?
A:The majority of the revenue decline for the second quarter was sequential, which implies a significant percentage decline in revenue for that period.
Q:How much inventory reduction has occurred in the consumer facing business through fiscal Q1 and how much inventory is left?
A:Although the company did not break down inventories by market, they did make progress in reducing inventory days (DIO) below script days in the first quarter. However, due to a volume-related decline, DIO is expected to increase in the second quarter. Despite this, the company anticipates that inventories will draw down through the year, both in NAND and DRAM, primarily due to continued strength in data center markets.
Q:What is the inventory position at customers versus Micron's balance sheet?
A:The discussion about inventory levels was centered around Micron's balance sheet rather than inventory levels at customers. The focus was on the expected inventory reduction and management of inventories through the year, with an emphasis on aligning production with consumption, particularly in the second quarter.
Q:What is the expected trend for inventory levels and shipment volumes in the second quarter and beyond?
A:In the second quarter, inventories are expected to improve as shipment volumes are in line with industry demand and are anticipated to be consumed. This confidence in demand and inventory consumption is expected to continue through fiscal year Q2 beyond the second quarter.
Q:What are the expectations for DRAM and NAND bit shipments in terms of industry growth and undershipment?
A:The company expects industry bit demand to grow in the mid-teens for the calendar year, and they plan to ship volumes in line with this industry growth. For NAND, while demand is forecasted to grow in the low double digits, the company does not expect to undership the market and aims to maintain stable bid share across both DRAM and NAND in calendar years 24 and 25.
Q:Can customers cancel HBM agreements, and under what conditions?
A:Customers can cancel HBM agreements if their purchase order is beyond the firm order timeline, which is influenced by lengthy lead times. The agreements relate to the purchase of a specific amount of HBM bits and cubes with associated pricing. There are specific duration limits and restrictions in place, but customers have been consistently making firm purchase orders, which gives confidence in the strong ramp ahead.
Q:How should HBM revenue growth be considered in the upcoming quarters, and what constraints exist?
A:The trajectory of HBM revenue growth is expected to remain robust and continue to ramp up despite some flatlining from the current high levels. The company anticipates reaching a significant revenue milestone for HBM in the calendar second half and believes the total available market (TAM) expectation and growth of TAM will support achieving their outlined targets. However, the exact trajectory and constraints are not detailed in the transcript.
Q:What is the status of the HBM II ramp, and how does it relate to capacity and production challenges?
A:The HBM II ramp has exceeded expectations, and the company is pleased with its progress. The process choices made have demonstrated a scalable process that will transition to the 1FFI as capacity is ramped up. The ramp involves adding capacity across multiple dimensions, with new equipment being installed, qualified, and revenue growth being realized week over week. Production challenges are addressed by starting from a low point and gradually increasing capacity throughout the year, which is expected to continue into the next year.
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