2026年Sandisk投资者日
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Discusses Sandisk's strategic shift towards innovation in NAND and HBF technologies, securing financial stability with $16.5 billion in guarantees, and adopting a less volatile business model through long-term customer agreements. Highlights advancements in memory solutions for AI, commitment to profitability, and plans for sustainable shareholder value creation.
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A presentation on Sandisk's strategic vision, innovation, and financial model, highlighting the company's growth and future opportunities in a rapidly evolving market, emphasizing shareholder value and technological advancements.
Discussed Sandisk's potential impact on data centers and demand, with a focus on strategies to maintain margins and expectations for future performance.
SanDisk's CEO reflects on the company's evolution over 6.5 years, highlighting significant events and discussions leading up to a forward-looking presentation.
Reflects on the journey since joining Western Digital amid the Covid pandemic, highlighting the strategic moves and market positioning that have now set the stage for significant value creation and earnings power realization.
A business leader emphasizes the importance of balancing multiple variables, including technology advancements, business model innovations, and customer relationship management, to create intrinsic value. Highlights include achieving significant growth in data centers, rebranding the consumer business, and committing to ongoing improvements, showcasing successful execution of past promises and setting the stage for future success.
Reflects on past achievements and controversial statements, emphasizing the importance of pricing and capital allocation strategies. Highlights successful restructuring and the company's conviction in revealing its true long-term earnings power.
Emphasizes the critical role of technology in business success, advocating for a comprehensive investment strategy that spans immediate needs to long-term innovations, ensuring technological leadership across all future horizons.
The dialogue highlights the company's commitment to NAND technology, emphasizing investments in future generations and system integration for consumer, edge, and data center markets, ensuring market leadership and innovation.
A groundbreaking technology, high bandwidth flash, is being developed to revolutionize AI inference, moving beyond the focus on model training. The initiative, backed by an emerging ecosystem, aims to create a scalable memory architecture crucial for the advancement of AI. With significant industry recognition, including being hailed as the most innovative technology, the project is progressing, promising a future where AI inference is optimized for efficiency and scale.
Focuses on investing in projects, achieving a debt-free balance sheet, and ensuring customer resonance, leading to significant cash reserves and market readiness.
The dialogue emphasizes the importance of generating free cash flow and making strategic investments to derisk the business. Key actions include extending a joint venture for NAND production until 2034, securing long-term relationships in the data center market to reduce price volatility, and highlighting the complexity and strategic value of owning a NAND fab.
To secure DRAM access for fulfilling large-scale enterprise SSD contracts, the company took a 4% equity stake in a DRAM manufacturer, ensuring technological access and solidifying business foundations for future growth. This strategic move has proven beneficial, contributing significantly to financial gains and reinforcing the company's position in the data center market.
The dialogue discusses three imperatives for achieving long-term value creation: increasing profitability, reducing cyclicality in the business, and ensuring consistent revenue growth. It emphasizes the challenges and strategies involved in each area, highlighting the importance of intentional business practices and customer relationship management to dampen cyclicality and foster sustainable growth.
Emphasizes the importance of considering all time horizons when making decisions to ensure sustainable value creation, moving beyond point questions to a holistic understanding of the franchise's goals.
A deep dive into the long-term profitability of a semiconductor and storage technology company, highlighting decades of investment in R&D, manufacturing scale, and strategic customer engagement, revealing a coiled spring of profitability now ready to sustain over time.
The dialogue highlights the significance of proactive supply management in navigating industry cycles, particularly after a significant market downturn. It emphasizes the consumer business's role as a stabilizer, providing consistent profit during economic fluctuations due to its broad market base and global brand equity. The speaker discusses the shift in market dynamics towards securing future supply through multi-year agreements, contrasting with the previous quarter-to-quarter approach, and the importance of balancing new technology releases with economic outcomes.
The discussion focuses on expanding business models and rebranding efforts to grow the company's market share. Key points include leveraging unique market advantages, strategic negotiations led by the CFO, and the introduction of new, detailed, and consequential agreements with customers, all aimed at increasing profitability and market presence.
The dialogue highlights the shift from short-term, quarterly negotiations to long-term agreements with customers, providing unprecedented visibility and stability. This transition enables sustained value creation and attracts customers proposing multi-year deals, marking a rapid evolution in the market.
The dialogue highlights the NAND business as an evergreen sector driven by innovation and new devices. It emphasizes the importance of maintaining relationships with a diverse set of customers, balancing supply and demand through strategic investments, and ensuring market visibility to meet customer needs. The company commits to mid to high teens volume growth, aiming for sustainable long-term expansion while addressing market changes and customer expectations.
The dialogue outlines how innovation, particularly through the development of new semiconductor nodes, drives mid to high teens volume growth and significantly boosts productivity, enabling a robust business model with high free cash flow margins. The strategy involves careful planning and investment in intellectual capital to maintain a competitive edge, rather than relying solely on financial capital.
A comprehensive overview of the NAND roadmap, emphasizing market projections and technological advancements. Discussion includes AI inference applications, particularly addressing Kv Cash growth, and concludes with an analysis of the business model, highlighting future innovations and the strategic importance of Hbf in the evolving market landscape.
Discusses Sandisk's focus on exponential scaling, prioritizing lateral, logical, and architectural scaling for capital efficiency and performance. Highlights 19th generation NAND advancements, aligning with AI's exponential growth, and innovation in new applications and markets.
Discusses Sandisk's JV's superior capital efficiency, producing 29% of industry output with only 13% of capital spent, highlighting technology strategy, scale, operational excellence, and tool reuse. Emphasizes advancements in scaling, performance, and power efficiency through CBA technology and roadmap innovations.
The dialogue highlights the necessity for rapid advancements in data center storage interfaces, specifically PCIe generations, due to the accelerating pace of AI demand. It explains how leveraging existing technology nodes through innovations like CBA and hybrid bonding enables quick transitions to higher performance levels with minimal capital expenditure, providing a competitive edge in power efficiency and performance density. The discussion compares current and upcoming products, showcasing the significant advantages of the latest advancements, especially in AI data center applications.
Bix 9 integrates B8 salary and next-gen CMOS for enhanced performance with minimal capital. Big Stand introduces 1 Tb TLC and 2 Tb QLC dies, setting world records in density and efficiency, showcasing significant advancements in memory technology scaling.
The NAND market is projected to reach 1.2 zeta bytes by 2026, with AI driving data center segment growth. Revenue is expected to exceed $300 billion in 2026 and nearly $500 billion in 2027. Hyperscale and Neo Cloud CapEx revisions show $1.9 trillion projected for 2026 and 2027, indicating monetization potential.
The dialogue forecasts market shifts towards premium devices and growing ASPs, predicting a $300B+ market by 2026. It also explores the AI data cycle, detailing raw data archiving and model preparation, crucial for AI's operational foundation.
AI workflow involves collecting data, preparing it, training models with GPU clusters, using models for inference, and generating new content. Efficient storage and retrieval, including Kv caching and tiered storage, are critical for maximizing GPU efficiency and ensuring rapid access to trusted context during inference.
Discusses Flash memory's critical role in AI infrastructure, focusing on its integration across layers and the emergence of Kv cache as a key component in inference, highlighting challenges and solutions in scaling AI intelligence.
The dialogue delves into the significance of KV cache in AI inference, emphasizing its role in enhancing efficiency and scalability. It outlines the memory hierarchy, from ephemeral to persistent KV cache, and discusses the expanding market potential, forecasting a one zettabyte install base by 2030, with KV cache accounting for 35% of the market. The conversation underscores the impact of increasing context lengths and session retention times on the growth of persistent KV cache, positioning Flash as a critical component in AI data center architectures.
The dialogue outlines flash storage's strategic placement in AI data centers, from high-capacity QLC drives in data lakes to high-performance TLC SSDs for active datasets, emphasizing the critical role of flash in supporting AI operations and the advancements in SSD technologies to meet growing demands.
Sandisk's AI Lab initiative emphasizes the critical role of SSDs in boosting performance and reducing energy consumption in AI applications. Running models similar to customer workloads, they observed SSDs consuming 75% less energy and delivering 75% higher throughput compared to systems relying solely on volatile media, highlighting SSDs' indispensable nature in optimizing AI operations.
The dialogue emphasizes Flash SSDs' role as a scalable, persistent storage solution essential for AI intelligence. It highlights the inefficiency of discarding intermediate states in compute cycles, advocating Flash's importance in preserving intelligence. The speaker outlines a bullish outlook on AI data center growth, the impact of efficiencies on utilization, and the industry's innovation around Flash technology for scalability.
SanDisk's CFO reflects on the company's journey since separating from Western Digital, emphasizing sustainable value creation. Key milestones include moving from a $1.7 billion revenue and $0.30 non-GAAP EPS loss to achieving $9 billion in revenue, $39.25 non-GAAP EPS, and $5 billion in adjusted free cash flow, showcasing significant progress and commitment to shareholder value.
A year marked by significant revenue and profit growth, with a $20 billion revenue and $8.7 billion free cash flow, as the company transitions from an edge-centric to a data center-centric market. The strategic shift in business models strengthens customer relationships, ensuring profitability and stability.
Discusses the shift from short-term pricing negotiations to long-term, multi-year contracts with major clients, emphasizing the benefits of stable, high-growth business models and the inclusion of financial guarantees in agreements. Highlights the involvement of top-level executives in contract discussions and the expansion of commitments by existing clients, reflecting a strategic move towards less volatile and more predictable revenue streams.
The dialogue discusses a pricing model with fixed and variable components, emphasizing attractive financials even at minimum pricing. It highlights $93.9 billion total contract value and $91.1 billion remaining performance obligation, secured with $16.5 billion in financial guarantees. The strategy includes executing contracts with excellence for long-term benefits, ensuring product quality, and maintaining strong financial protection ratios that increase over time.
A strategic blend of MMB (Majority Business Model) and non-NBM (non-Majority Business Model) is anticipated to drive revenue growth at a mid to high teens rate through 2030. The MMB segment, known for its profitability and stability, will dominate, while the non-NBM will cater to smaller, strategic customers unsuitable for the MMB. This dual approach aims to ensure reliable volume and consistent financial performance.
The dialogue outlines a financial strategy aiming for non-GAAP gross margin of 80% and operating margin of 70%, with Opex at 5%, mid-single digit capital intensity, and mid-teens growth. It emphasizes achieving 50% adjusted free cash flow post-tax, working capital, and capital spending considerations, with modest sequential price growth expected throughout the year.
The dialogue emphasizes confidence in new business models and customer conversations, outlining plans to invest in operations, capital expenditures, and strategic partnerships while maintaining a strong balance sheet. It highlights a commitment to returning excess cash to shareholders through share buybacks, showcasing a clear financial model focused on translating revenue into profit and ultimately, shareholder value. The discussion also touches on operating in an attractive, growing market with leading technology, positioning the company for future value creation.
Sandisk's CTO discusses advancements in 3D Matrix Memory and High Bandwidth Flash (Hpf), addressing the memory scaling challenge. 3D Matrix Memory shows progress towards product specs, while Hpf is poised to play a critical role in memory-centric AI, supporting large models and long context lengths with enhanced capacity and efficiency.
A discussion at the Future of Memory and Storage conference highlights the memory bandwidth and capacity challenges faced by large language models in AI inference. Doctor Xiao Yuma from Google DeepMind suggests three trends to address this crisis: inference specialization for transformers, mamm heteronyx for improved capacity scaling, and software-hardware co-design, emphasizing Hpf as a promising solution.
Recent architectural proposals highlight Hpf's integration into AI solutions, ranging from a pure Hpf architecture to hybrid models combining Hpf with Hpm, and a disaggregated approach optimizing compute and memory resources for AI inference stages.
The dialogue explores simulations comparing HBM and Hf memory in GPU systems handling multi-turn genic AI workloads. An Hf memory GPU outperforms an HBM system with fewer units, achieving equivalent performance with half the number of GPUs.
By addressing the memory crisis, HPF technology enhances GPU efficiency, offering eight times CapEx efficiency for smaller projects and doubling efficiency for large-scale operations, significantly reducing energy consumption and reshaping AI economics.
A company outlines its vision for Hpf, aiming to revolutionize AI on edge devices with sophisticated models and an open ecosystem. The first public specification for xpu designers has been released, expanding the consortium with Meta's joining. The company emphasizes the importance of a diverse ecosystem, highlighted by the inclusion of renowned figures like Jim Keller on its technical advisory board.
Discussed advancements in scalable AI systems, focusing on memory and network scalability challenges. Highlighted innovations in balancing SRAM, local DRAM, and host DRAM, emphasizing flexibility and high token rates in AI model processing. Future trends in memory use and compute ratios were also addressed, showcasing adaptability in AI architectures.
Discusses the relevance of high bandwidth memory (HBM) in AI and edge computing, highlighting its benefits in balancing compute and memory, enabling long-term storage of computation results, and its potential applicability in edge devices for enhanced performance.
The dialogue explores the transformative impact of advanced memory and data processing on robotics and autonomous systems, emphasizing the efficiency of memory over computation and envisioning a future where devices have comprehensive environmental awareness.
The dialogue covers recent advancements in Hbf memory technology, including the taping out of the first memory die, and outlines plans to deliver samples to customers for inference devices in the upcoming year, emphasizing the importance of co-development with major customers and the ongoing efforts to unlock the full potential of the technology.
Discusses strategies for diversifying the customer base in NVMC agreements, emphasizing the importance of engaging with a broad range of business models to mitigate risk. Highlights the dynamic nature of GPU memory requirements, suggesting that advancements in HBM and SSD technologies could significantly reduce the need for system DDR, thus optimizing performance and power efficiency in AI workloads.
The dialogue discusses the industry's move from misaligned incentives causing volatility to a customer-centric approach, emphasizing the importance of understanding customer demand before production planning. It highlights the transition from short-term visibility to long-term planning, suggesting a more stable and responsive market strategy.
The dialogue discusses the potential for customization in HBM and HBF technologies, emphasizing the integration of compute functions with memory to enhance efficiency. It also touches on the implications of such advancements for capital investment, noting the leveraging of existing expertise and the orthogonal nature of HBF to the storage business, suggesting a promising outlook for future market integration.
Discussed targets for NBMS volume optimization, emphasizing sustainable shareholder value creation and continuous evaluation for improvement. Addressed concerns over NAND technology in Kv Cash, highlighting workload-dependent latency and endurance advancements, with a focus on enhancing device lifetime and performance.
Discusses strategies for maintaining a balanced portfolio as data center investments increase, emphasizing the importance of flexibility, customer engagement, and product innovation across all business segments to optimize value creation over time.
Discusses the impact of HBF on conventional DRAM, emphasizing the scalability of Nan technology, the need for market visibility, and the importance of close collaboration with world-class memory experts to address the memory wall problem and optimize future infrastructure investments.
The dialogue discusses co-development with hyperscalers for technological advancement, emphasizing the need for visibility into true demand and the evolution of business models. It highlights significant growth in wafer technology, particularly DRAM scaling, and explores potential solutions for handling increased demand, including decode and disaggregation. The conversation also touches on cost-down strategies and customer feedback on HBM solutions.
The dialogue discusses the company's NAND technology roadmap, emphasizing the importance of maintaining high net bit margin (Nbm) percentages and addressing concerns about supply and capital expenditure (CapEx) discipline. It highlights the complexity of adjusting fab plans for nodal transitions and the efficiency of scaling NAND production. The speakers also touch on the potential for NAND cost improvements and the strategic implications of elongated nodal transitions on the industry.
Discusses the importance of scalability in business, emphasizing the need to align investment with market growth to avoid overproduction. Highlights the dual nature of scalability, attracting total addressable market (TAM) while requiring careful management to match production with demand, ensuring sustainable business expansion.
The dialogue underscores the futility of clinging to outdated quarterly auction practices for long-term investments, advocating instead for a proactive, innovative approach to create a more effective system that benefits all stakeholders.
Discussed the transition away from emphasizing cost reductions, acknowledging team efforts in moving past this focus, and highlighting the cessation of inquiries regarding cost downs during earnings calls.
The dialogue emphasizes the importance of driving efficiency and cost downs as key responsibilities within a company, highlighting the belief in market-determined pricing over cost-based pricing. It encourages a proactive approach to change, asserting confidence in achieving better outcomes, and challenges skepticism by advocating for action and belief in the potential for improvement, particularly in forecasting and adapting to industry cycles.
A discussion on leveraging skepticism and uncertainty to drive significant returns, emphasizing the importance of strategic change, confidence in new methods, and clear-eyed assessment of future outcomes in the face of radical industry transformations. Highlights the shift from transactional to strategic engagement with key industry players, showcasing growth potential and the need for investors to recalibrate their perspectives on past performance versus future possibilities.
Discusses corporate obligations and AI demand projections, emphasizing boardroom decisions and future client expectations amidst market challenges.
A discussion highlighted deep customer relationships and engagement in the physical AI market, emphasizing potential growth and future detailed interactions, concluding with gratitude for the participants' time.
要点回答
Q:What are the forward-looking statements that Sandisk presented regarding their future?
A:Sandisk presented forward-looking statements regarding their technology and product roadmaps, new business models and MSA customer partnerships, business plans and performance, market trends and opportunities, and their future financial results.
Q:What is the key factor in maintaining earnings power according to Sandisk's management?
A:The key factors in maintaining earnings power, as per Sandisk's management, include the conviction in the franchise's earnings power, the successful restructuring of the business, and the ongoing investment in technology and business model innovation.
Q:What are the strategic business moves Sandisk has made to achieve their goals?
A:Sandisk has made strategic business moves such as focusing on the data center as a major growth pillar, enhancing the consumer business, and restructuring the business for better focus and execution.
Q:How does Sandisk ensure it remains at the forefront of technology in the storage industry?
A:Sandisk ensures its technological leadership by continuously investing in many generations of NAND technology, maintaining a strong partnership with Kioxia for joint investment in R&D, and working on multiple technology advancements such as Bix 9 and Bix 13, as well as systems capabilities including AI for the data center.
Q:What is the significance of the multi-horizon innovation investment plan in technology investment?
A:The significance of the multi-horizon innovation investment plan in technology investment is to ensure that Sandisk has the right technology prepared for the current time, the near future, and well into the next decade, allowing for a consistent and sustainable investment strategy across various technological horizons.
Q:What does the extensive product portfolio and market presence of Sandisk imply for its future?
A:The extensive product portfolio and market presence of Sandisk imply a strong future position across various markets including consumer, edge, and data center. This broad optionality gives Sandisk the potential to adapt and succeed in a variety of technological and market changes, enhancing their conviction in the company's long-term success.
Q:What is the business strategy to ensure the technology remains relevant and drives innovation?
A:The business strategy involves investing in technology to ensure it remains relevant and drives innovation across various markets.
Q:What was the motivation behind announcing the high bandwidth flash strategy?
A:The motivation behind the high bandwidth flash strategy was the recognition that AI inference would be a major opportunity, with the focus mainly on model training at that time. The team saw the need for a different memory architecture for inference scaling and believed they had a crucial technology to offer.
Q:What was the focus of the business's 18-month strategy that was announced 18 months ago?
A:The focus of the business 18 months ago was on developing high bandwidth flash, which was announced as part of their strategy.
Q:What were the achievements of high bandwidth flash as of the last update?
A:As of the last update, high bandwidth flash had received significant attention, being named the most innovative technology at the previous FMS event, and an ecosystem was being developed for it.
Q:What is the next focus after achieving a cash positive balance sheet and eliminating debt from the company?
A:The next focus is on investing in the business to systematically derisk it, which includes expanding their joint venture and ensuring access to production capacity and DRAM, a key component for data center operations.
Q:How is the business planning to change its business model for sustained value creation?
A:The business plans to achieve sustained value creation by increasing profitability, reducing cycles, and consistently growing revenue across all time horizons.
Q:What are the imperatives for sustained value creation?
A:The imperatives for sustained value creation are increasing profitability, reducing cycles, and consistently growing revenue.
Q:How does the business plan to balance various strategic priorities across different time horizons?
A:The business strategy involves balancing various strategic priorities across all time horizons to achieve sustainable value creation, considering the impact across short-term, mid-term, and long-term perspectives.
Q:What is the projected timeline for the launch of Bix 13?
A:The launch of Bix 13 is projected to be beyond 2030, with hundreds of engineers working on technology a decade into the future.
Q:How is market share related to investment in R&D for large technology companies?
A:Market share makes a big difference in how much a large technology company can invest in R&D; when a company gets bigger, it should see improvements in its investment in R&D that are commensurate with its market share.
Q:What does the speaker indicate about the company's internal manufacturing capabilities?
A:The company has its own fabrication facilities (fabs) with large-scale operations, performing all front-end manufacturing for semiconductors, and it also has teams working on the back-end manufacturing and packaging of chips into wafers and SSDs for various applications.
Q:Why are the speaker's comments about the high profitability of their business considered surprising?
A:The speaker's comments about the high profitability of their business are considered surprising because the business practices in the industry are such that there is minimal profitability leakage across the model, suggesting that the high margins have been hidden and not widely recognized.
Q:How has the company's investment in technology and manufacturing expertise contributed to its profitability?
A:The company's investment in technology and manufacturing expertise, including a huge amount of engineering and billions of dollars in building out manufacturing capacity over 25 years, has contributed to its profitability by creating a 'coiled spring' of investment poised to produce significant results.
Q:What is the speaker's view on the current market dynamics and customer engagement?
A:The speaker believes that the market is adjusting to these dynamics quite quickly, transitioning from a quarterly to multi-year engagement with customers. They emphasize the importance of strategic engagement with customers, which allows revealing the profitability of the franchise.
Q:What challenges does the speaker mention were addressed to unlock profitability?
A:The speaker mentions that to unlock profitability, proactive supply management was necessary to manage the business from the supply side, rather than releasing new technology solely based on technological readiness, which could lead to poor economic outcomes.
Q:How does the consumer business contribute to the company's overall financial health?
A:The consumer business contributes to the company's overall financial health by providing global brand equity and a broad market base that acts as a shock absorber during industry down cycles, insulating the business from profitability impacts and allowing for consistent profit generation.
Q:Why is the consumer business not considered sufficient for the company's needs?
A:The consumer business, while important and profitable, is not considered sufficient for the company's needs because it is not large enough to insulate the whole business from market fluctuations, hence the need for growth and a brand-first approach.
Q:What new business models and strategies are being implemented by the company?
A:The company is exploring new business models that involve strategic, long-term agreements with customers, renegotiating terms and conditions, and enhancing financial visibility. These strategies aim to provide long-term customer visibility, demand visibility, and pricing stability.
Q:What changes have been noticed in customer behavior regarding supply agreements?
A:There has been a significant change in customer behavior, with customers proposing and entering into multi-year agreements for better supply visibility and predictability. The company has seen an increase in customers willing to commit to longer-term deals and is now facing requests from customers for three to five-year agreements.
Q:What is the strategy for staying engaged in the NAND market and how does it cater to different customer needs?
A:The strategy for staying engaged in the NAND market involves making sure the company has a supply available to play in various markets, including those with customers who want to continue doing business as they did in the past. This ensures the company remains relevant and continues to engage with customers on their terms, maintaining a presence across the entire market.
Q:Why is it important to have a clear relationship with the customer base in the NAND business?
A:It is important to have a clear relationship with the customer base in the NAND business because the company has an exclusive set of customers, including the who's who of technology companies worldwide. Engaging with these customers is vital for maintaining and strengthening the business relationship.
Q:What is the rationale behind the company's strategy to change the relationships in the NAND market?
A:The rationale behind the company's strategy to change relationships in the NAND market is to bridge the gap between the three-month visibility supply side and the ten-year investments in fabs, which previously led to dissatisfaction from both sides. The goal is to reach a more balanced and sustainable situation where everyone involved can achieve their requirements.
Q:How does the company plan to achieve and sustain growth in the NAND market?
A:The company plans to achieve and sustain growth in the NAND market by committing to mid to high teens volume growth and expanding its supply and volume accordingly. This growth strategy is seen as sustainable over long periods and aligns with a broader fabric strategy that ensures a planned approach to development and production.
Q:What role does innovation play in the company's growth strategy for the NAND market?
A:Innovation plays a central role in the company's growth strategy for the NAND market, with a focus on developing scalable technology and increasing productivity. Through consistent innovation, the company has been able to increase output per wafer by 54% with each new node, which translates to a yearly productivity growth CAGR of 27%. This underscores the company's commitment to investing in intellectual capital over financial capital to drive growth.
Q:How does the company manage investment in technology to avoid over-saturating the market with supply?
A:The company manages investment in technology to avoid over-saturating the market with supply by carefully planning the introduction of new nodes and not releasing them yearly. This strategy allows the company to maintain high productivity and avoid the risks associated with excessive supply, like price erosion. The focus is on the application of intellectual capital rather than financial capital for growth.
Q:What is the importance of a detailed roadmap for the NAND business?
A:A detailed roadmap is crucial for the NAND business as it outlines the company's strategy for product development and technology scaling. It serves as a guide for future investments and innovations, ensuring the company remains competitive and can meet customer demands. The presentation by Alper will provide insights into the current and future directions of the company's NAND roadmap.
Q:What are the expectations for revenue growth in the NAND market according to the company's recent earnings call?
A:According to the company's recent earnings call, the market for NAND is expected to grow to $300 billion in the current year and $500 billion in the following year. The company provided this figure as a market outlook and it includes the impact of China, which can skew the numbers when trying to back into other regions' growth. This forecast highlights the company's confidence in the pricing and market dynamics of the NAND sector.
Q:What is the significance of understanding market dynamics for creating value in the NAND business?
A:Understanding market dynamics is significant for creating value in the NAND business as it allows the company to make informed predictions about pricing, supply, and demand. Insights from market intelligence, such as the work done by Eric's team, enable the company to adjust its strategy and ensure it remains competitive in a rapidly changing playing field. This understanding helps unlock value creation by aligning supply with market demand and optimizing revenue and profitability.
Q:How does the speaker describe the relationship between the growth of AI and the adoption of NAND flash?
A:The speaker indicates that NAND flash is the only semiconductor technology that can match the exponential growth of AI, which is driving the increased adoption of NAND in AI architectures.
Q:What are the three main scaling methods mentioned by the speaker, and which one is the company prioritizing?
A:The three main scaling methods mentioned are lateral scaling, logical scaling, and architectural scaling. The company is prioritizing the more capital-efficient methods of scaling over the financially more challenging vertical scaling.
Q:How does the company's capital intensity compare to the industry average?
A:The company's capital intensity is lower than the industry average. The data provided indicates that in 2025, the industry spent on average 2.66 times more capital than the company to generate the same output.
Q:What is the relationship between performance and power efficiency in the context of the company's product roadmap?
A:The company's product roadmap includes an emphasis on increasing both performance and power efficiency in every generation through device and design innovation.
Q:What is the significance of the CBA technology and how does it impact product development?
A:The CBA technology, or hybrid bonding technology, allows the company to combine two different wafers to make a single wafer, which in turn can augment the performance and power efficiency of existing technology nodes. This enables the company to quickly upgrade its product portfolio to meet customer needs without extensive capital spending, providing operational flexibility and a competitive advantage.
Q:What are the key benefits of the Bics 9 product compared to previous generations?
A:The Bics 9 product leverages the company's CBA technology to deliver significant performance gains with minimal incremental capital spending. It is based on specifications from large hyperscale customers who required high performance and rapid delivery. Bics 9 is expected to power the next generation of storage SSDs.
Q:How does the Big 10 product line advance performance and power efficiency?
A:The Big 10 product line features the 1 TB TLC die and the 2 TB QLC die, both of which have achieved substantial improvements over the previous Bics 8 technology. The 2 TB QLC die, in particular, is the highest density memory chip in the world, with more than 60% density improvements, over double the read and write bandwidths, and a 75% improvement in power intensity and efficiency.
Q:What is the historical growth rate of bit capacity for the company's technology and how does it relate to production plans?
A:The historical growth rate of bit capacity for the company's technology is 27% CAGR per wafer annually. The company's production plans are based on a long-term demand forecast of about a high teens growth rate, which means that the technology productivity is sufficient not only to meet production needs but also to exceed them by a significant margin.
Q:What are the expectations for the flash market growth according to the speaker?
A:The speaker expects the flash market to reach 1.2 zeta bytes of shipments in 2026, driven by growth in consumer and edge devices, the transition of PC storage needs to flash, and the increasing demand from AI data centers. The revenue from the flash market is expected to grow to over $300 billion in 2026 and nearly $500 billion in 2027.
Q:What factors influenced the industry's supply and capacity over time?
A:The industry's supply and capacity were influenced by a targeted over 30% annual growth rate, a peak in wafer capacity at 800,000 wafers per month in 2022, and a dramatic reduction in demand due to Covid-related inventory digestion. This led to structural capacity reset below peak levels, yet the industry still managed to achieve mid to high teens production growth via nodal migrations.
Q:What is the projected growth of the Flash market by 2026 and what factors are driving this growth?
A:The projected growth of the Flash market by 2026 is over $300 billion and can approach half a trillion dollars. This growth is being driven by a shift in the supply side towards nodal migrations that meet bit growth targets, as well as a transition by Oems to produce more premium offerings and Asps to continue to grow.
Q:What are the stages of the AI data cycle?
A:The stages of the AI data cycle include: 1) Raw Data Archive where organizations store everything they collect, 2) Model Data Preparation where raw data is extracted, transformed, and loaded to make it machine-ready, 3) Model Training using massive GPU clusters to process and build a model, 4) Inference where trained models are used to answer questions and generate outputs, and 5) New Content Generation where model outputs are stored for ongoing consumption and can be fine-tuned over time.
Q:How does Flash play a role in the AI infrastructure?
A:Flash plays a critical role in the AI infrastructure, being proliferated through all layers and not just sitting at the edge. It is involved in various workloads such as fast data lakes, staging for training checkpointing, and ephemeral and persistent Kv Caches that are essential for efficient AI operation.
Q:Why is the infrastructure for training not sufficient for inference in AI data centers?
A:The infrastructure built for training, which focused on data storage, preparation, and presentation to GPUs, is not sufficient for inference. As the focus of AI data centers shifts to inference, there is an increasing need for longer context length, richer conversation, and more parallelism, which translates to a greater demand for working memory or the Kv cache.
Q:What are the two emerging trends in inference when it comes to NAND flash?
A:The two emerging trends in inference when it comes to NAND flash are data augmentation, which increases the relevance and accuracy of responses by providing external data, and context remembrance, which involves the model maintaining a memory of the user's history to provide smarter and longer conversations.
Q:How does Kv cache function in the context of AI inference?
A:Kv cache functions as working memory or a notebook in inference. It is used to store the context of previous tokens during the decode process, where one token is generated at a time. The context length can grow with longer conversations, making the entire AI process much more efficient. The Kv cache allows the model to remember past interactions and generate more relevant responses.
Q:What is the common theme that emerges from using the ephemeral Kv cache in AI systems?
A:The common theme that emerges from using the ephemeral Kv cache in AI systems is the need for persistence in the memory hierarchy. This is because ephemeral caches like HBM and system DRAM have limited capacity, and as AI systems scale and the number of interactions grows into the billions, a persistent layer is required to provide extended capacity.
Q:How does the persistent Kv cache support AI systems?
A:The persistent Kv cache supports AI systems by storing data that cannot be stored in the high bandwidth of DRAM and HBM. It acts as an additional layer in the memory hierarchy that provides durable storage for AI models and user contexts, enabling billions of interactions without having to rely solely on volatile, ephemeral caches.
Q:Why is persistence important in the memory hierarchy for AI systems?
A:Persistence is important in the memory hierarchy for AI systems because it allows for the retention of user context and session data even when power is lost. This is crucial for AI systems that require maintaining session state across interactions, whether it's for a few hours or indefinitely, to enable efficient and relevant responses.
Q:What factors should an infrastructure planner consider when planning for persistent Kv cache?
A:An infrastructure planner should consider the number of sessions that will hit the infrastructure, how long the sessions should be retained, the cash base ratio based on existing infrastructure's Kv cash pools, and the amount of storage required per session, which is a function of session length and the size of the tokens used in the context.
Q:What is the projected 2030 install base for persistent Kv cache?
A:The projected 2030 install base for persistent Kv cache is estimated to be one zettabyte. This is derived from considering variables such as session length, number of users, and growth in context length and average session size, suggesting a substantial opportunity for growth in the persistent Kv cache market.
Q:What are the different types of flash placements within an AI data center?
A:Within an AI data center, flash is placed in various layers including data lakes (large capacity QLC drives), GPUs (high-performance TLC SSDs for active training data sets and checkpointing), network-attached persistent Kv cache (lukewarm storage), and close-coupled persistent Kv cache (warm and hot storage).
Q:What are the benefits of integrating Flash into AI data centers?
A:Integrating Flash into AI data centers results in reduced energy consumption, higher throughput, and the ability to store more data without requiring re computation, which is more energy-intensive. Flash acts as a 'token battery', storing intelligence that can be utilized later, and is essential for the efficient operation of AI systems.
Q:What is the Sandisk AI Lab, and what is its purpose?
A:The Sandisk AI Lab is an initiative started by the company to understand the bottlenecks in persistent Kv cache by running server and rack scale systems with AI workloads. The lab aims to provide insights by simulating real-world conditions to complement customer learnings and enhance product understanding.
Q:How does persistent Kv cache contribute to sustainable value creation?
A:Persistent Kv cache contributes to sustainable value creation by enabling efficient and relevant responses in AI systems through persistent storage of user contexts and session data. This efficiency and relevance lead to better performance and ultimately value for both customers and shareholders.
Q:What is the composition of the market the company operates in, and how is it changing?
A:The market the company operates in is changing from an edge-centric market to a data center-centric market, which brings different dynamics.
Q:What are the key financial metrics that the company has reported for the year?
A:The company reported a revenue of $20 billion, up 175% from the prior record, with gross margin improving every single quarter to 71.6% from 30.3% the year before. The final quarter closed with a gross margin of 84.6%, enabling an EPS of $39.25 compared to only 29 cents the year before.
Q:How did the company's free cash flow perform throughout the year?
A:The company generated $8.7 billion in free cash flow, excluding new business model prepayments, and improved its run rate to $20 billion, indicating robust business growth and the ability to capture market value.
Q:Why were new business models introduced, and what are their characteristics?
A:New business models were introduced to strengthen relationships with strategic customers and to create a fast-growing, profitable, and less volatile business. These models are based around supply and demand uncertainty with multi-year agreements, growing at a fast pace, featuring fixed and variable pricing components, and having financial guarantees. They involve conversations at the highest levels of the companies, requiring board approval.
Q:What is the nature of the new agreements with customers?
A:The new agreements are win-win conversations with deep technical and commercial integration, involving multi-year engagements that have seen high-level integration. Some customers have already expanded their contracts within a short period after initial签订.
Q:What is the projected growth for the new business models?
A:The company projects to allocate a significant portion of its business to the new business models because they are fast-growing, attractive, and less volatile. The goal is to make these the predominant way of doing business for the company.
Q:How does pricing work in the new business models?
A:Pricing in the new business models is fixed in some contracts, while some include variable portions with floors and ceilings. Financial guarantees are provided by third-party financial institutions and customer deposits and credits. Financial guarantees hold a strong protection level, with the ratio between financial guarantee and remaining performance obligation (RPO) evolving over time to provide protection as a percentage of revenue to come.
Q:How are the financial guarantees structured?
A:Financial guarantees include third-party financial institutions providing financial guarantees and customer deposits and credits. Of the total guarantees, $16.5 billion has been secured, with $2.5 billion already in the bank. Financial guarantees will stay constant and low throughout most of the time.
Q:What is the company's strategy moving forward with these business models?
A:The company plans to execute multi-year agreements (MVBs) with excellence, ensuring quality products on time and fulfilling their part of the bargain. They will also increase safety stocks and continue to evaluate new deals with a selective approach to ensure long-term value for products customers are willing to pay for.
Q:How does the company anticipate growth and financial performance in the future?
A:The company expects revenue growth in the mid to high teens, non-GAAP gross margin around 80%, and non-GAAP operating margin at 70% going forward. This includes expecting to spend about 5% in Opex and not expecting significant contributions from other income and expense.
Q:What is the company's strategy regarding capital intensity and investment plans?
A:The company expects a capital intensity of mid single digits as a percentage of revenue and plans to continue investing in business operations, maintaining a strong balance sheet, and using excess cash for share buybacks.
Q:How does the company plan to return excess cash to shareholders?
A:The company plans to return excess cash to shareholders through its share buyback program, having already executed a $6 billion program and authorizing an additional $14 billion program. The board has authorized a total of $15.5 billion for share buybacks, with the belief that returning cash to shareholders is essential.
Q:What is HBF and why is it not included in the revenue projections?
A:HBF stands for High Bandwidth Flash, which is a technology introduced by the company. It is not included in the revenue projections because the company is funding it out of its operating expenses (Opex) and capital expenditures (CapEx), not as a revenue-generating projection.
Q:What is the Memory World Problem and how do the two new technologies introduced by Sandisk address it?
A:The Memory World Problem refers to the inability of DRAM to keep up with the demands of compute and AI due to scalability issues. Sandisk addresses this problem with two new technologies: 3D Matrix Memory and High Bandwidth Flash (HBF). Both technologies are highly scalable and are designed to solve the memory bandwidth issues.
Q:What is 3D Matrix Memory and how is its development progressing?
A:3D Matrix Memory is a technology developed by Sandisk that started in 2017 and involves developing memory layers. By 2024, development moved to a 300 mm facility. The company has delivered development vehicles and demonstrated multi-gigabit level functional memory arrays. The technology is approaching product spec performance levels and is a long-term project with continuous progress updates.
Q:What is High Bandwidth Flash (HBF) and what makes it significant for AI workloads?
A:High Bandwidth Flash (HBF) is a device that was introduced by Sandisk, offering the same read bandwidth as HBM but with 16 to 8 times the capacity. It was designed with AI inference in mind, leveraging mixture of experts and sparse models, and allows for long context lengths. This makes HBF significant for AI workloads due to its high capacity and performance.
Q:How does the memory-centric AI paradigm shift compute and memory needs for AI models?
A:In the memory-centric AI paradigm, large model sizes and long context lengths drive up memory capacities while mixture of expert type sparse models drive down compute needs. This shift results in an increased focus on memory requirements, which HBF is positioned to meet.
Q:What were the findings from the workload simulation using HBF compared to HBM?
A:Workload simulations showed that a single HBF GPU could match the performance of 8 HBM GPUs in a multi-turn genic workload. This indicates that HBF can deliver the same token output with fewer GPUs, improving capital efficiency by up to 8 times and matching or surpassing the performance with half the number of GPUs.
Q:What are the envisioned applications of HBF for edge devices?
A:HBF is envisioned to enable sophisticated AI models, including those with over 100 billion parameters, to run on edge devices, offering an AI experience that 'never forgets' and is always available to the user. This is expected to significantly change the way people experience AI in their daily lives.
Q:What is the HBF for Edge device and what is its purpose?
A:The HBF for Edge is a second-generation HBF device being actively developed with multiple customers. Its purpose is to dramatically change how AI is run on edge devices, enabling the operation of sophisticated AI models on these devices and providing an AI experience that remembers everything about the user.
Q:What is the open ecosystem strategy around HBF and who are some of the partners involved?
A:The strategy for HBF includes creating an open ecosystem with a partnership approach. Sandisk has announced partnerships with SK Hynix, and established a consortium under OCP with Google and 10 other members. Meta has recently joined this consortium. The company is building a technical advisory board with experts like Jim Keller and David Patterson to guide its direction and is committed to open standards and collaboration.
Q:What is the vision for AI integration in computing that Jim and his team are pursuing?
A:Jim and his team are pursuing a vision of AI integration that sees most of the data center being taken over by AI and the emergence of heterogeneous computing, with AI compute and general-purpose compute being built on fundamental principles. They are creating high-end AI processors and high-end RISC-V processors, with two businesses: one licensing IP for various projects such as autonomous driving, robotics, and server projects, and the other developing high-end server designs.
Q:What is the scalable AI computer Galaxy, and how does it differ from traditional computing setups?
A:The scalable AI computer Galaxy is a high-end server designed for AI computing with a focus on scalability. Unlike traditional computing setups, Galaxy allows for scaling up to 20 servers with 5, 6, 800 Gb Ethernet ports per server, which can be interconnected in quad servers. This results in a system capable of running from a single chip to up to 36 servers. Galaxy's design incorporates flexibility in memory and processing capabilities, allowing for a wide variety of models to be run on the same hardware.
Q:What are the challenges of current HBM-based models, and how does Jim's company's architecture address these?
A:Current HBM-based models face limitations such as being constrained by the local size of DRAM and often lacking sufficient network bandwidth. To address these challenges, Jim's company has built a terabyte of RAM per Galaxy server, with 36 galaxies providing a total of 36 TB of DRAM. They also ensure high network bandwidth to serve memory flexibly across the machine, tackling the issues of memory scalability and network bandwidth.
Q:How does the architecture of Jim's company's processors compare with other AI architectures, especially regarding memory?
A:Jim's company's processors are distinguished by their balance of SRAM, local DRAM, host DRAM, and flash memory. GPUs were initially built for graphics and require a significant amount of HBM memory, leading to an imbalance. However, their processor architecture has 200 MB of SRAM per chip, allowing for a better balance. The changing ratios of compute to memory components like Kv cache and prefill in AI architectures are important considerations when building machines for different tasks, and the company's architecture is adaptable to these shifts.
Q:What is the significance of HBM in AI and how does it impact compute and memory balance?
A:HBM (High Bandwidth Memory) is significant in AI because it brings high bandwidth to play in high-bandwidth systems, overcoming limitations of Flash which lacked sufficient bandwidth. HBM enables the trade-off between compute and memory to be balanced in new ways, as it is effective in saving computation results in large format, which was not feasible with Flash due to its lower capacity. This leads to more efficient processing and potentially radical changes in applications like robotics and autonomous driving.
Q:What are the potential applications of HBM in edge computing and robotics?
A:HBM has significant potential applications in edge computing and robotics, where it can transform operations by providing on-device processing with augmentation of Kv cache for everything seen in Flash. This will lead to more efficient autonomous systems that can understand their environment and surroundings, which can be revolutionary for applications like robotics and autonomous driving. The reduced compute power consumption compared to traditional computing makes HBM a suitable choice for edge devices where power efficiency is crucial.
Q:What is the timeline for HBM's market introduction, and what is the company's approach to ensuring customer availability?
A:The company has taped out the first HBM memory die, marking a significant milestone towards the market introduction of HBM. Although the full product will not be available immediately, customers can expect to see samples of inference devices with HBM next year. The company's approach to ensuring customer availability involves a co-development strategy with some of the largest customers in the world, which is anticipated to provide valuable insights into the technology's future from both a market and financial perspective.
Q:What is the impact of rapid market changes on product development and strategy?
A:Rapid market changes are making it difficult to understand what product to build and how much to build. There is a premium on staying very close to customers because the market is changing at an incredible pace and will continue to iterate.
Q:How is the scaling of inference and the need for constant innovation affecting technology transitions?
A:The scaling of inference is incredible and represents the most significant technology transition in the speaker's career. There is a constant focus on driving requirements down, using less power and space, and increasing efficiency to scale faster and more economically.
Q:Why is staying close to customers and understanding their direction important for technology companies?
A:Staying close to customers is crucial because it provides insights into product development and architectural choices. This knowledge helps in understanding the right products to build and where to allocate resources for success.
Q:How do customers' data and insights influence product development?
A:Customers provide companies with data that influence product development. Insights gained from customer deployments, such as the use of HBM andDDR memory, can guide the development process and the scaling of inference technologies.
Q:What findings emerged from the AI Lab's experiments with different types of memory?
A:The experiments showed that for running complex workloads, having just HBM SSD was sufficient, with a minimal amount of DDR required. This was a revelation as it suggested that system DRAM capacity could potentially be reduced.
Q:Is it feasible to reduce system DDR requirements for inference, and by how much?
A:It is feasible to reduce system DDR requirements for inference, but the extent of reduction, whether it be by half, one, or eight, depends on various factors and is workload-dependent.
Q:How does the company approach capacity planning and production in response to customer needs?
A:The company plans to align with customer needs, understanding demand and adjusting production accordingly. This approach involves a wait-and-see strategy regarding product launches and customer demand, followed by adjusting the production plan based on actual usage.
Q:How does customization in HBM relate to potential advanced packaging production and CapEx considerations?
A:Customization in HBM aligns with potential advanced packaging production. The company is prepared for the compute-to-memory shift and is confident in their capabilities to perform compute next to or within the memory. This transition will be dictated by customer discussions around performance preferences. The impact on CapEx will depend on the successful integration of these capabilities into the market and the potential for higher production volumes in future years.
Q:What is the company's strategy regarding the percentage of NBM that will be dedicated to certain applications and how does it plan to optimize this over time?
A:The company's strategy is to optimize the percentage of NBM dedicated to certain applications over time. They will continue learning from data and customer feedback to define the optimal number, which is currently estimated based on existing data. The goal is to create maximum shareholder value on a sustainable basis, and the specific percentage for future years will evolve as more data becomes available.
Q:What are the expectations for endurance numbers and workload dependency in new technologies?
A:New technologies are expected to provide continuous progress, with high endurance metrics, and learning curves that apply to core technology and HBAs, which allows for phenomenal endurance numbers, as seen in the warm cache technology. The endurance is workload-dependent, with higher read rates being necessary, and the ability to offer a much higher drive per day compared to conventional SFDs.
Q:How is the balance between data center and edge computing expected to shift in the next year?
A:The balance between data center and edge computing is expected to change dramatically, with customers increasingly seeking deals that favor edge computing. The company wants to keep all parts of its portfolio robust, including data center operations, and ensure that engineers remain busy building products across all platforms. This shift is expected to continue rebalancing the company's focus and priorities.
Q:What is the company's approach to balancing the need for visibility in demand and supply with contract structuring?
A:The company is focused on engaging with customers on longer durations through various contract types of different durations, which makes it challenging to predict future segments. There's an emphasis on flexibility in the system to maintain a balanced approach. They are judicious in their business approach, following customer needs, and aiming for better decision-making with increased visibility. The company intends to ensure the robustness of all segments - Edge, Consumer, and Data Center - and is actively involved in structuring potential engagements with customers to ensure alignment and value creation over various time horizons.
Q:What is the anticipated impact of HBM and HBF on the availability of conventional DRAM and their capital intensity?
A:The introduction of HBM and HBF has made conventional DRAM capacity tight and is expected to continue doing so as these new technologies become more prevalent. HBF, specifically, is anticipated to be more capital intense than conventional DRAM and may eventually become even more so, as it utilizes different technologies and has higher performance capabilities. However, the company believes it has enough headroom to grow through innovation and maintain robust scaling capabilities.
Q:How does the company plan to manage scaling, and what is their perspective on the current scaling challenges?
A:The company views Nand as a very scalable technology and believes there is at least a decade of visibility on scaling capabilities. They recognize the importance of getting the economics right and the challenges associated with scaling due to visibility issues in the market. The key lies in better understanding demand and supply dynamics to avoid sudden shortages, as exemplified by the transition from 8 to 10 wafers showing 65% growth. The company is confident in their ability to scale significantly, potentially reaching 60-70% growth in a single wafer generation.
Q:What is the strategic approach to engaging with customers on new business models and contracts?
A:The company is on a path to inventing new business models, moving away from traditional contracts. They are engaging with customers on longer-term engagements ranging from three months to four years, seeking to understand true demand and create structures that benefit both parties. The focus is on co-development and helping customers understand what's possible. The objective is to provide a completely hand-crafted structure that aligns with the customer's needs and the company's capabilities.
Q:What is the process involved in translating RD productivity numbers into a semiconductor fabrication plan?
A:Translating RD productivity numbers into a semiconductor fabrication plan involves years of detailed planning. This includes monthly and yearly planning for which nodes are running where, in what fabrication facility, and what the yield is, all of which contribute to the output.
Q:What is the significance of scalability in the semiconductor business?
A:The significance of scalability in the semiconductor business is that it enables the technology to be produced efficiently and on a large scale, leading to cost-effective solutions. The semiconductor business benefits from 19 generations of innovation, and there is still a long roadmap ahead. This scalability also attracts market attention and can lead to increased usage of the technology.
Q:What are the potential risks of scalability in the semiconductor business?
A:The potential risks of scalability in the semiconductor business include the possibility of overproduction if the market forecast is wrong. The speaker highlights that the idea of making 10-year investments and conducting quarterly auctions to sell products does not make sense. The challenge is to find a balance between having enough capacity to meet market needs without overproducing.
Q:Why does the speaker believe continuous improvement and innovation are essential?
A:The speaker believes continuous improvement and innovation are essential because they drive efficiency and productivity. By focusing on these areas, a company can align its investment horizons and create a positive future. Waiting for the past to reoccur is seen as a waste of time; instead, there is an opportunity to invent new solutions that work for everyone involved.
Q:How has the semiconductor industry's approach to cost reductions evolved?
A:The semiconductor industry's approach to cost reductions has evolved from focusing on frequent cost down announcements to a more internalized approach. The speaker notes that the company's job is to drive efficiency, and cost reductions are part of the company's productivity. The cost of products is determined by the market, not by the internal costs of production.
Q:What is the speaker's perspective on the future of semiconductor demand forecasting?
A:The speaker believes that the forecast for the semiconductor business is better now than it was during the hyperscalers' demand forecast during COVID-19. He argues that being skeptical is easy, but it is necessary to have confidence in the ability to change outcomes and pursue different methods to achieve success. Despite potential challenges, there is an emphasis on moving forward with strategic changes and investments.
Q:Why does the speaker think skepticism can be beneficial in business?
A:The speaker thinks skepticism can be beneficial in business because it can lead to a deeper examination of risks and uncertainties, which can also indicate where the biggest returns and opportunities lie. The speaker acknowledges the value of skepticism but stresses the importance of having the confidence to challenge the status quo and pursue meaningful change that can yield different outcomes.
Q:How has the semiconductor business's interaction with customers evolved?
A:The semiconductor business's interaction with customers has evolved from a purely transactional relationship to strategic partnerships. The speaker mentions that conversations with CEOs and CFOs have become more frequent and significant, and while there are no guarantees, the company works hard to make these interactions successful. The business is committed to the physical AI market and sees a growing potential there.

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